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Stranahan wrote:

>
> Toy Story is great, but it's not the software. I didn't see any frames
> that I didn't think LW wasn't capable of in terms of the 'look'. There are
> other issues, of course, such as the IK - but I don't feel that LW needs
> Renderman to do a Toy Story...
>

My sentiments exactly. What's really needed is a lightning fast, 3-axis accurate IK
system, bones that influence a defined set of vertices (as opposed to a limited region),
and conditional animation features.

SGB

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Animation Question
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On 21-Mar-96 11:47:38, deirdre l. hammer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This may be the wrong newsgroup, but I'm starting here.  I have an
>Amiga
>4000 w/Toaster3.1 and Lightwave.  I have created animations in the past
> with solid backgrounds or b.g.s using imported images.  I want to
>create  a simple animation with a keyed background, so that I may take
>into the  switcher part of the Toaster and overlay it over video.  It
>should be  able to be done, since alot of the effects on toaster are
>keyed  animations.  Can anyone help me?  Or, please lead me to the
>right  newsgroup.  Thanks!

  There is a Toaster mailing list ([e-mail]) which has more
Toaster-specific info.

  There is supposed to be a new software package, whose name escapes me
at the moment, but they had a big ad on the back of VTU a couple months
back, which converts color animations into effects, including overlayed
key effects, just like those included with the Toaster software.

  You may need Lightwave 3.5 or higher, in order to create output in an
anim format other than the Lightwave format.  Or you can render frames
as IFF24, and use a an IFF to ANIM converter, in order to get them into
ANIM format.

  AFAIK, the Toaster Switcher will *not* key an Amiga animation, not
even a "normal" Toaster ANIM, except if processed into an effect.

  The Genlock program will do it, but you cannot access it directly from
the Switcher, and you need to use an anim player compatible with
whatever format you use.  I don't know of any which will play the
Toaster's own ANIM format, unfortunately.

  I also have the 3.1 Toaster. If there are other ways to deal with
these things, it would be nice to know.  The 4.1 software adds new
abilities, but I don't know if these are addressed.


--
*-__________________________ | *Starfire* | _________________________-*
Jeff Jones  email:[e-mail]   *//* Amiga Lives!  Born
*TFG* *Starfire* Design Studio         *\\//* 1985-1994, again 1995!
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From: [e-mail] (John Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: lzh and lha file types
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:45:41 GMT
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I have Lightwave 3D ver 4.0 on a PC.  I was checking out the Newtek
ftp site (ftp.newtek.com) to look for some models.  All the models
seem to be in an .lzh or .lha format/file type.  I am used to .lwo for
objects and .lws for scenes.  Is there a way I can use or look at the
lzh or .lha files?  I would greatly appreciate any assistance.

Thanks
John Baker


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From: Stephen Bailey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Bone placement...READ THIS!!!!
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:27:01 +0000
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >   Tim Wilson <[e-mail]> writes:
> >  >>>I'm considering working on a bone placement plugin<<<
> >
> >  The biggest deficiency in LW's Bones routine is that it does not
> >  have any way to associate the behavior of a bone to specific
> >  points in the mesh, or to lock out specific points from being
> >  effected by bones. (Two sides of the same coin). I don't know if
> >  this problem is being addressed in 5.0. The way bones work right
> >  now is useful for many things. But this other approach should be
> >  added as well.
> >
> >  -Tim Wilson, Crestline
>
>     How would this work?  If you subtract points in an object from a
>     bone's influence, they'll get "left behind"-- in a very real way the
>     whole concept/advantage of bones is to provide a smoothly varying force that
>     affects all the vertices in its purview.
>

In a shoulder area, for instance, I'm finding a real need to be able to select influences based on vertices.
Limited region is too broad for the detailed influences necessary in a full-body character. In terms of
"smooth varying force", well I wish it were true. Polys crumple here or get crushed there. It's been a
nightmare. Choosing vertices of affect, especially in situations where bones are very closely grouped, would
alleviate the whole limited range cold-capsule shape problem. Sometimes there are workarounds, sometimes not.
I'm still going to forge ahead with what I have, though. It's the process I'm more interested in, anyway.

SGB

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Does Lee ever say anything intelligent?
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On Thu 14-Mar-1996  8:21p, Jack Bennett II wrote:
JI> [e-mail] (V Teahan) wrote:

JI> >Just wondering..

JI> >
JI> >
JI> >
JI> >
JI> Oh boy, here it starts again.

JI> [e-mail]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

God! I wish whatever all this Stranahan talk is al about, would just go away.
I don't know about anyone else, but it sure is getting old hearing about
stupid comments about Lee. Geez, I've been reading these post for quite some
time and I still have NO clue as what even started this all? I thought this
was a LightWave group and not a PutDown group? I guess I have to say what this
guy said and say "Oh boy, here it starts again!"

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: light 4.0 rev. b
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On Fri 15-Mar-1996  3:20p, Thies Uhl wrote:
TU> I have installed the lightwave version 4.0 rev. B under NT. I know that
TU> there is a revision C for windows 3.11. Does also exist a revision under
TU> NT?

TU> -Thies-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What I can't figure out is why on my LW it sez that it's "version Y"...?
Where is everyone else coming up with a,b,and c versions?......

thanx...........md :)

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
Date: 23 Mar 1996 20:59:25 -0500
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Brad Peebler wrote..
-------------------------
By the way, I apologize if anyone was terribly offended about my prior
posting (Brian?  ; )  ). It was merely an opinion and you are all of
course welcome to discuss any topic you see fit. Many people had sent
me private email complaining about the direction of the group. But it
is your group.
----------------------------

Well, many people have posted publically about NewTek's seeming total lack
of any coherent marketing vision, and the resulting poor sales and
visibility. But it is your product to manage...

If you want an example of how to handle online criticism, check out Jim
Plant's response recently to questions about the LWPro compliation. He
explained things, took responsibility, and nipped any nastiness in the
bud. (All without one freakin' smiley face, either.)

Contrast that with your repsonses, Brad - I mean, you came online and
point blank lied about the Deskstation deal a few months back, then you
laid low while the marketing discussions were going on. Popping up and
saying 'hey! things will get better, send me suggestions!' isn't exactly
instilling confidence. I realize that the problems at NewTek aren't all
your fault, and I don't envy you trying to explain the inexplicable...but
find another tactic than smiling and burying your head in the sand.




_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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From: Ken Mayfield <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: re: Star Wars and Lightwave
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:23:41 -0500
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This is what I'm looking forward to seeing: *inhabited* spaceships -
they sail right by and you can see activity in each window - eating,
exercising, reading, playing, bathing...

                                -Ken Mayfield

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
Date: 23 Mar 1996 21:04:23 -0500
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----------------------------
Great design, but why do so many different aliens use the same type of
hull plating?!? :^)
--------------------------

Any idiot knows that there is only one Hull Plating supplier, due to
strict enforcement of intergalactic tariff laws - Rablonski Hull Plating,
with locations in Rahway, New Jersey and Rigel 12-123b.



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Who's going to NAB?
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 18:29:09 -0800
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JBooth411 wrote:
>
> In article <4ilsno$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Stranahan) writes:
>
> >I'm going - why don't a group of you gather and lynch me?
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________
> >Lee Stranahan
> >URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
> >
> >
>
>     oh, sounds like a blast.. but seriously..
>
>      I'm not going to NAB, but is anyone going to E3? The video game
> convention? I'd be interested in meeting fellow lightwave based video game
> creators..
>
> Jason Booth
> Second Nature, Inc.
>  "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
> RICH!!!!"

Looks like there will at least be a couple of us LW users from TWI
going to E3. Hopefully the title I'm on will be playable by then.

Don't know about NAB, staying pretty busy getting ready for E3.



--
 Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Time Warner Interactive
   [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.
 Although legally they own everything I come up with.

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From: [e-mail] (GregNym)
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Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 64 PCI DRAM
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I just received diamond's cd-rom with updated win95 drivers including
directx support. Guess what? LW and modeler are still screwed up. The only
fix I've found is to go under system/advnced features and set graphic
acceleration to none. I haven't noticed a speed problem, but you lose the
nifty feature of being able to change screen res and/or depth without
having to restart. Also the new mpeg player seems slower.:(

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Morph a ball into a character
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On Tue 19-Mar-1996  4:05a, jeric wrote:
j> >   [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) writes:
j> >  Ok, I have been wonderring how to do this also. Since EVERYONE says it
j> can't
j> >  be done, I thought I'd give it a try. I did a test sample to see if it
j> would
j> >  work, and it did........perfectly.

j>         I type amazed, since all a morph does is move the vertices in a
j> straight
j> line.

j>         When you say "perfectly", did you mean a smooth and unbroken
j> morph?  Did
j> you do a render check to check the middle frame?



j> *************************************************************************
j> *****
j> ** [e-mail]                     |  Synergy Graphix & Animation
j>  **
j> ** Welcome to Seattle!  Have a latte'!     | Technical Subjects a
j> Specialty!**
j> ** Don't make me force it down your throat.|     "OK!  Wind the frog!"
j>  **

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well,,,now that you mentioned it, I don't really know if you'd call it a
perfect morph between the box and the ball object, but it did work. And the
original thing was that it couldn't be done! That was all I was trying to
prove., that it COULD be done. And as far as a morph only moving points in a
straight line, well nomatter even if you had modled an object into another
object and then morphed it, it would still move in a straight line.......NO?
Anyway, I'm trying and I plan on perfecting the way I do things and morph
things. I assume that's the way everyone learns, is by trying and
experrimenting.........see ya

md :)

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Reduced polygon count ?
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I'm sure that someone has asked this before, but I was wonderring if there is
a way to, after you build an object, that then you could reduce the number of
polygons it has? Like after I make a mountain range, but parts of it are flat
and havn't been moved up or anything? Did I make sense? If the answer is to
long or annoying to give, then just tell me where to look in the manual?

thanx...............md :)

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: lzh and lha file types
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In article <4j1uor$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Baker) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (John Baker)
>Subject: lzh and lha file types
>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:45:41 GMT

>I have Lightwave 3D ver 4.0 on a PC.  I was checking out the Newtek
>ftp site (ftp.newtek.com) to look for some models.  All the models
>seem to be in an .lzh or .lha format/file type.  I am used to .lwo for
>objects and .lws for scenes.  Is there a way I can use or look at the
>lzh or .lha files?  I would greatly appreciate any assistance.

>Thanks
>John Baker

..lzh and .lha are the extensions used for files or groups of files that are
compressed with lharc type compression (same idea as PKzip - different
implementation).  I have a some programs on my FTP site that can be used to
extract or create these files.  One of them is an NT version that will
preserve Amiga long file names under WinNT and Win95.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
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In article <4iurkf$[e-mail]> [e-mail](William Teegarden) writes:
>From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
>Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
>Date: 22 Mar 1996 18:30:39 GMT



>--->Parent To Camera
>>==============
>>Why not offer the camera as a parent object? This way you could parent
>a
>>light behind the camera, move about the scene, and everything you look

>>at will always be lit up. I always find lighting difficult and this
>>would be a big time saver, if only during test renderings at
>least.<----



>OK, here's a work-around.  Once you have a completed camera motion
>path, save the motion, load it to a null, parent you light to the null,
>make adjustments to the light, create a key and you're done!

>GT

Hmmm - how 'bout parenting the camera to a Null.  Rename the Null something
like CameraNull.  Parent your light to CameraNull.  Then use the CameraNull
object as though it is your camera.





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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville ) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
>Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
>Date: 23 Mar 1996 21:21:01 -0700

>In article <4iurkf$[e-mail]> [e-mail](William
>Teegarden) writes:
>>From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
>>Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
>>Date: 22 Mar 1996 18:30:39 GMT



>>--->Parent To Camera
>>>==============
>>>Why not offer the camera as a parent object? This way you could parent
>>a
>>>light behind the camera, move about the scene, and everything you look

>>>at will always be lit up. I always find lighting difficult and this
>>>would be a big time saver, if only during test renderings at
>>least.<----



>>OK, here's a work-around.  Once you have a completed camera motion
>>path, save the motion, load it to a null, parent you light to the null,
>>make adjustments to the light, create a key and you're done!

>>GT

>Hmmm - how 'bout parenting the camera to a Null.  Rename the Null something
>like CameraNull.  Parent your light to CameraNull.  Then use the CameraNull
>object as though it is your camera.

Well - this works as long as you don't use Camera Targeting.

>Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]


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On 3/23/96 12:11PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Andrew Hofman
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > > As you say, the CGI in Voyager tries to duplicate the look of the model --
> > > but then the model itself looks real! On the other hand, I see a lot of
> CGI
> > > that tries for realism and falls short. Much of it is excellent, but falls
> > > short nonetheless.
> >
> > But still, the CGI shots of Vger that we do (did) are indistinguishable from
> > the model.  This is not just our opinion, it's what we've heard from many
> other
> > people--we even failed to get credit on an episode because the producers
> didn't
> > realize we had done some of the shots.
> >
> >                       -=Fred=-
>
> That's my whole point. Let me rephrase it: The best physical models look
> convincingly real and full-scale, which is why I find it odd when someone
> disparagingly refers to Star Wars or Voyager as "looking like models", in
> favor of B5. The first two are both perfect examples of models that look
> real! So if you produced some CGI shots for Voyager that couldn't be
> distingushed from models, then you're a step ahead of shows like B5 in terms
> of CGI realism.
> --
> Andrew Hofman
> LumaQuest Productions
> [e-mail]
> 513-643-7333

No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
look like CGI!  They aren't even close to realistic!  They look cool, that's
what they look like.  The shots in Apollo 13 and 2001 look pretty real.  In
duplicating the look of the Voyager model, we weren't making something that
looked real, we were making something that looked fake but in an agreed upon
way (by the public).  The way people perceive "real" changes over time, that's
why we can look at the original Flash Gordon or King Kong and say they don't
look real, whereas the original audiences were amazed.  That's why ILM is
re-doing the effects for the existing Star Wars films before they're
re-released again.   You may look at Star Wars and say that the effects still
look great (as do I) but kids growing up today will look at it and laugh at the
fact that we say it looks real.
    As for the quality of CGI, the technology is capable of effects that can
pass for models, no problem, and effects that look real (maybe even _real_
real, not perceived real).  You can no longer say that it's because of CGI that
B5 doesn't look real.  It's not the CGI, it's the art direction, time and
money.  The CGI in Voyager looks the way you want it because that's the way we
were told to do it--and there was a TON of time and even a reasonable amount of
money.  To hold B5 against Star Wars and complain that it doesn't look like it
is like saying the dancing in Star Wars was TERRIBLE compared to the dancing in
Singin' In The Rain.
    If you still want to insist that space models look real, then at least
acknowledge that it took 68 years for them to achieve that quality.  As far as
other kinds of model shots, if you want to see the seamless use of miniatures,
look at the chariot race scene in MGM's 1925 Ben Hur (it's just before the
intermission).  The entire top half of the stadium was a foreground
miniature--with moving people and all--and the camera is moving!
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail](William H. Ivey)
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Subject: re: Star Wars and Lightwave
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In <[e-mail]> Ken Mayfield
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>This is what I'm looking forward to seeing: *inhabited* spaceships -
>they sail right by and you can see activity in each window - eating,
>exercising, reading, playing, bathing...
>
>                                -Ken Mayfield

It would definitely add something - remember the upside-down and
sideways rooms in the 2001: space station dock, or the long pull back
showing Bruce Dern in the galley window of the Valley Forge in Silent
Running? How hard could it be to do it in CG?-Wm

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Is it safe to attach or remove a dongle while the system is on?


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From: [e-mail] (leelee)
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Does anyone know how to get the parallel version of the Iomega zip
drive to work on NT. I have sent about 5 messages to Iomega asking if
they are going to produce any drivers for the Zip drive and NT. It
seems like once you have bought the goods, you dont get any support.




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From: [e-mail] (Andre Perusse)
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[e-mail] (Ken Armour) wrote:

>We are trying to configure an A4000 Tower with Toaster 3.1 software.

>The immediate problem is that the A4000 Tower does not come with
>(maybe it doesn't even support) a high density floppy drive.

>As you know some of the later diskettes with Toaster 3.1 come on a
>high density floppy diskettes.

>An attempt to move a regular A4000 high density floppy drive over to
>the tower was unsuccessful.

>help

>Ken

Actually, you can use a high density floppy on the new A4000T, but you
have to connect it to the first floppy drive connector on the ribbon
cable. To use a double-density floppy with an Amiga 4000, it must be
connected to the last connector on the floppy drive cable, which is
how the floppy is connected on new A4000Ts.

In other words, when you disconnect the factory installed double
density floppy from the A4000T, don't connect your high density floppy
to the same connector - use the other connector on the floppy drive
ribbon cable.


Andre


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Please help me with my Thesis project.

(At the end of this message, there are some questions.)


I am a post-grad student at Mississippi State University. Last May I
earned my Master's degree in Technology. This summer I, hopefully, will
get my Ed.S.

The Technology department at State offers a program that is applicable to
business/industry or education, depending on the electives chosen.
The program is an overview of the many facets of technology today.

Courses include Networking, Telecommunications (Internet), Lab
Management, Planing for Technology programs, Multi-Media (incorporating
Audio, Video, text, graphics, animation, and clipart), Design and
Evaluation of Software, Emerging Technologies, Repair and Maintenance,
and software applications Microsoft Works, Compel, HyperCard, PageMaker,
CorelDraw, and PowerPoint.

*NOTE*: There is no programming in this department and it is not part of,
nor associated with, the Computer Science Department.


The point of my project is to collect job information about positions in
the public or private sector that are available to persons with this
education.

These job titles do not have to be positions that are currently vacant.
The idea here is to create a database of the kinds of jobs that are out
there.

If you are interested, you may check out my homepage which is dedicated
to this project. There are links to my Resume, the computer applications
that I use, my personal computer-related library, and an overview of the
course descriptions.

http://www2.msstate.edu/~esp1/index.html

or (for all the homepages at Mississippi State University, mine included)

http://www.msstate.edu/local_users.html   (no "2")



All questions below are optional; but I would appreciate as much
information as you will share with me.


Job Title:
Brief Description:
Company:
Brief Description:
City, State:
jobs of this kind in company:
entry level salary:

Comments:

Your Name:
City, State:

Thank you for your time and for your assistance.

Elaine Parrish



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Elaine S. Parrish           "What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not
[e-mail]          yet been discovered."- Emerson(1803-1882)
(that's: esp one)
Starkville, Mississippi            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    "One man with courage makes a majority." Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Genealogy Buff-ette: Surnames (anytime, anywhere):

[esp. Arkansas, Texas]: Parrish \ Bowen \ Doroden \ Hamilton \ Chappell

[esp. Missouri {Stoddard Co}]: Douglas \ Henson \ Pirtle; Purtell \
Livingston; Levingston \ Malone \ Shrader; Schrader; Schreader \ Moore

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A sharp tongue is the only edge tool that grows keener with constant use."
  - Washington Irving (1783-1859)
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From: [e-mail] ("Glyn Williams")
Subject: Re: animating characters
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Andrew....
> I'd be intersted to know how you achieved this with an object as a
> single unit. Bones tend to make this sort of thing very difficult (as
> you well know), but apparently not impossible. Please tell us!

This is hard to describe without pictures....

The face I produced is a single mesh item encompassing an entire head and
neck.
The eyelids are open and the mouth is partially open. It is important  to
constrain the field of influence of a bone to the right area - and not
allow it to control stuff outside that area. If the mouth was modelled
closed it would be impossible to move the lower jaw without also
influencing the upper lip.

Around 10,000 polys made up the face mesh.Special polygons using
transparency maps  were added to make up eyebrows, and eyelashes. Eyelids
and lips were isolated on the mesh to give a hard shading edge.
(Smoothing group). The face had custom built bump and colour maps. The
eyes were particulary complex using ray-traced reflections, an iris, an
anatomically correct lens-bump and even featured surface capilliaries!

The eyes are seperate objects as are the lower and upper teeth meshes.
Only the front teeth were built.
The upper teeth are anchored directly to the head. The lower teeth are a
problem....
I didn't attempt a tongue.

A single rotating (pitch only allowed)  bone with a pivot-axis level with
the bottom of the ears is the "jaw-master". A hierarchy of about 11 bones
parented off the jaw master allows the jaw to open and close. Cheek bones
are set up so that the skin in the cheeks stretch with a natural looking
movement.

In an ideal world the lower teeth would be parented to the jaw master. In
Lightwave this is not possible so instead, the rotation envelope of the
jaw was copied to the lower teeth, thereby simulating a parent/child
linkage.

Eyes are easier. Five tiny bones in a row control the upper eyelids of
each eye. Again a single master bone controls the 4 child bones. Once
again a pitch-only rotational movement is what drives the eyelid blinking.
Eye movement was made easier to animate by building invisible stalks into
the eyeballs. By crossing the stalks on the item the eyes were looking at
- this made for convinging-looking .... looking.

Eyebrows can be animated by a single bone for each eye. A mixture of
translation in the Y axis and rotation (roll) produces a natural looking
frown.
Lower eyelids move very little except in smiling. A single horizontal
bone can be placed in the lower eyelids and was translated upwards a
small amount during a smile. Dragging the lower lid up a little.

The mouth is by far the hardest element to animate. I went through four
or five attempts before I figured out what I needed to do.
In the centre of the mouth is a parent "purse master" - this bone is only
allowed to scale in the x-axis - but doing so scales *all* the bones of
the mouth inwards - this is very important for "w"s and "oo"s.
Parented from the purse-master are the upper and lower lip-masters. These
pitch, rotating to move the lip up and down. Very important in "b"s and
"p"s.
The lower lip also tilts outwards during "s" sounds.
The bones above are control handles - they have no influence! But are the
parents of....

The lip bones themselves which actually influence the mesh. These are two
"mousache bones" per lip running along the length of the lip itself.

Finally two smile master bones are added influencing the conrners of the
mouth allowing it to be dragged upwards.

Each bone has a two values - an inner and outer radius of influence.
After the placement of a bone, these values must be adjusted to guarantee
that the bone's movement influeces exactly the right amount of flesh.

I hope that is some help.


Glyn Williams - Particle Systems Ltd.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Powell)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
Date: 24 Mar 1996 15:39:06 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 3/23/96 12:11PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Andrew Hofman
: <[e-mail]> wrote:

: > That's my whole point. Let me rephrase it: The best physical models look
: > convincingly real and full-scale, which is why I find it odd when someone
: > disparagingly refers to Star Wars or Voyager as "looking like models", in
: > favor of B5. The first two are both perfect examples of models that look
: > real! So if you produced some CGI shots for Voyager that couldn't be
: > distingushed from models, then you're a step ahead of shows like B5 in terms
: > of CGI realism.
: > --
: > Andrew Hofman
: > LumaQuest Productions
: > [e-mail]
: > 513-643-7333

: No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
: look like CGI!

    How do you know?  How many spacecraft have you seen that have
    done battle in space and in the atmosphere, take off and land
    countless times, are kept in garages and makeshift hangars, and are
    maintained by under-funded mechanics (between being dunked in
    alien swamps and flying through the debris of exploded planets).

    No one knows what this looks like...

    Although you may not be referring to the models themselves, and
    are simply considering the shot overall.... matte lines and
    garbage matte areas and other limitations of optical
    processes...  If so, you certainly have a point.

    -mp-


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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In article <4iurat$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(InstntGuts) wrote:

> <<In the argument over which is better, 3DS (in any form) or Lightwave,
> the 3DS people are just as passionate about their software as the Lightwave
> people, but why is it that the Lightwave people can at least point to
quality > work on the big and small screen but all the 3DS people can
point to is Johnny
> Mnemonic (and the one cool scene in that was done in Alias)?
> (snip)

Thats a funny thing, isn't it? All the fans of 3D Studio point to Johnny
Mnemonic as the work "possible" with Studio, yet,as you say, the one scene
that was more than flying geometry was done on Alias - and it isn't very
good!

> Autodesk certainly gives a %$*! about the games industry, since over 70%
> of the games/multimedia CD-ROM industry uses 3D Studio. In addition,
> according to the Roncarelli Report, 3D Studio accounts for over half of
> all professional-level 3D graphics and animation packages installed (and
> that includes the high-end programs, such as Alias, which has an installed
> base of 15,000.) Last I heard, the installed base of 3D Studio is well
> over 60,000.

This is decieving. The implication is that 3D Studio is so popular it HAS
to be good. In fact its popular because it has (traditionally) been the
only 3D Modeling app available available on the barren Microsoft platform.
Also its popular because its good for simple, CAD style modeling and works
well with CAD packages. Its popularity certainly isn't due to its
flexibility as a modeler, its quality of output or its cost - its very
expensive for what you get!


> Here is a partial list of 3D Studio film/TV projects, compiled by Greg
> Pyros and James Coulter. I don't have a complete, up-to-date list at the
> moment, but as I hear more, I'll send it to you, if you want.
>
[long list deleted]

> "Johny Mnemonic" (much more of this was 3DS than Alias, BTW)
> "Hellraiser IV"

Again, this is decieving. Big production studios use lots of different
software and Studio is good for certain quick and dirty modeling. I'm not
surprised that it was used in these shows, but try to find out exactley
WHAT it was used for....the coffee cup in the corner maybe?

Also, the gaming industry is rapidly turning away from 3D Studio as its
audience gets more sophisticated and demands better effects that Studio is
incapable of. Take a look at the newest Donkey Kong and Wing Commander.
Both Alias.

I personnally think Studio's days are numbered.

Joe Monahan

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From: [e-mail] (William Leventry)
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Subject: Re: LWPro Compilation Book
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On 22 Mar 1996 12:07:43 -0500, [e-mail] (J Plant) wrote:

>To All LWPRO Compilation Book Customers,
>
>Here's the real scoop on the status of the LWPRO Compilation Book. First
>off, major apologies to those who have already ordered and paid for the
>book. You're right, it shouldn't have taken this long, but...well, there
>are a couple of reasons why. First, it took us a bit longer to get all the
>author releases to re-publish the articles. We didn't really have to do
>this; fair use gives us the right to re-publish these works in a compiled
>form without permission or compensation, but we felt it was the right
>thing to do.
I vote for including Mark Thompson's articles, if your contract
with authors did indeed allow republication as you imply.

>Now, we have everything and it has already been sent to the printer and
>and the completed book will be delivered to our office on April 3, and
>begin shipping immediately. Once again, we're very sorry for the delay.
I assume this means that it will only include authors who signed
releases? If so, the product will be considerably less than hoped
for...
>Jim Plant
>AMG Media, Inc.

>P.S. Our policy on immediately charging credit cards is based on our
>credit card merchant agreement that states that we must charge orders
>within three days of receipt or they are invalid. Anyone who would like a
>refund can mail or fax a refund request to: AMG Media, Inc., 1308 Orleans
>Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089, fax:[phone]
I've never heard this one before, and I think this only applies if you
ACTUALLY have a product to ship at the time. Since you charged the
cards some months ago, and have yet to ship product, I believe you are
technically in violation of the law. I believe you must notify (in
writing) of a delay in shipment, and offer a refund if desired. I
don't think a post to Usenet gets it.

Sorry if this post seems rash, but frankly I'm getting REAL tired
of the piss poor business practices of companies related to LW in
general. IMHO, in a more competitive market, you'd have been in
bankruptcy a loooong time ago.

Thanks for the (long overdue) update.

William Leventry
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Johansen)
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[e-mail] writes:

>Hi,
>I'm a more or less advanced user of 3DS and heared quite a lot
>about LightWave. I've never seen it in action (except for the
>animations in B5 and SQ) and therefore have a couple of questions:

>1. What OS does it need? (PC, not Amiga)
    Any MS OS win3.1,win95,winNT
>2. Are there any external plug-ins (like the 3DS IPAS routines)?
    Yes, but generally fairly simple, ie.nothing like a metaball
plugin.
>3. Can I network render?
    Yes
>4. Are the cool special effects already built-in or do I need
>   to buy external plug-ins?
    What special effects do you mean,hit a couple of buttons and you
get Lens flares anything else requires a bit of work.(As probably do any
effects in 3ds)
>5. Is the renderer faster than the one of 3DS?
    Dunno, from what I've heard,,,,     no.
>6. Finally, how much does the latest version cost and is it worth
>   the trouble?
    About $800 US.
    Is it worth it?  Well,I think so.
    I remember seeing a review of 3DS a couple of years ago,reading
the review and thinking to myself "If this thing costs about a Grand
I'm buying it" then I got to the RRP.(Ouch)
>Thanx,

>--Martin

>[e-mail]
>http://www.tuke.sk/users/martin/go.html

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In article <4j3225$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (leelee) wrote:
>Does anyone know how to get the parallel version of the Iomega zip
>drive to work on NT. I have sent about 5 messages to Iomega asking if
>they are going to produce any drivers for the Zip drive and NT. It
>seems like once you have bought the goods, you dont get any support.

Currently, there is NO way of getting the parallel version to work under NT
unless someone creates a driver for it.  Since the NT market it small in
Iomega's eyes, I doubt they'll spend the effort, at least right now, to create
one.  The SCSI version works fine with NT however.

In the case of NT, it is far better to stick with devices that connect in a
standard manner (ie: SCSI or IDE) rather than things that connect to the
parallel port unless you know for sure there are drivers for NT.

Have fun,
Dan

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From: [e-mail] (Leuey)
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Subject: Re: Zip Drive on NT
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  I really don't think that the zip works well (if at all) under NT.
Maybe it does now. I have an Iomega tape backup drive and it stopped
working when I switched to NT, and their official stance is "we don't
support NT, contact Microsoft".  I ended up getting the Syquest EZ 135,
works like a charm, love it!

later
greg

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From: [e-mail]
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On 3/23/96 6:13AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Manuel Coats
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> For those of you looking to upgrade to the NT Lightwave environment, I have
> the
> CD ROM version of Windows NT 3.5 for sale.  $100 to the 1st person who wants
> it.
>
> This is the 3.5 version, not the 3.51 version.  What's the difference? Not
> much.
>
> You can pay with Visa/MC if needed.
>
> Send e-mail to [e-mail]
>
> MC


The difference IS much if you are also running Win95; the long filenames are
not compatible between the two.  NT 351 corrects this.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail]
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On 3/22/96 11:01PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Tim Krego
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Mar 96 19:25:02 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
> >> What bugs me is that LightWave was promoted big time as the software that
> was
> >> used for some of these shows while significant features that were used at
> the
> >> time simply weren't in the box that was sold to the public.  That was
> >> misleading.  In the aggregrate, I am very glad that NewTek is "there".
>
> >I see race cars that say "FORD" on them but when I go to the showroom all
> they
> >have are regular cars.
>
> You know that isn't even close. NewTek was advertising that LW could
> do all the stuff on these TV shows, but there version they were
> selling to the public didn't have those features.

OK, maybe my post was off, but the truth is, THOSE FEATURES WERE THERE!!!! I
was one of the ones doing that TV stuff, and I can tell you, THOSE FEATURES
WERE THERE!  If you think I used some new feature that you didn't have at the
time, please tell me what you think it was.
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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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Subject: Re: Reduced polygon count ?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark
Dunakin) writes:

>I'm sure that someone has asked this before, but I was wonderring if
there is
>a way to, after you build an object, that then you could reduce the
number of
>polygons it has? Like after I make a mountain range, but parts of it are
flat
>and havn't been moved up or anything? Did I make sense? If the answer is
to
>long or annoying to give, then just tell me where to look in the manual?
>
>

    Just select the polygons you want to merge, and press merge polygons.
Then check the flatness limit, and tripple if necisarry. I actualy wrote a
BML script which scans through polygons, merges with the neighboring one,
checks the flatness, and either undoes it, or continues. It's kind of
unpredictable, but it works for the most part..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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In article <4j2a9t$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) writes:

>
>Contrast that with your repsonses, Brad - I mean, you came online and
>point blank lied about the Deskstation deal a few months back, then you
>laid low while the marketing discussions were going on. Popping up and
>saying 'hey! things will get better, send me suggestions!' isn't exactly
>instilling confidence. I realize that the problems at NewTek aren't all
>your fault, and I don't envy you trying to explain the inexplicable...but
>find another tactic than smiling and burying your head in the sand.
>
>
     I have to agree with you hear, Lee. No offense to anyone who was
involved with the nasty threads which were going around, but they were
completely unproductive. I was quite impressed with the LWpro response, it
did not try to lay blame elsewhere. I think people in this world are all
to quick to lay blame elsewhere, rather than taking a pride bite and just
appologizing. It's like the child proff lighter thing. Some woman's kid
burns thier house down with a lighter, so she sues butt head and bevis,
then the lighter companies. Did she ever stop to think "Hey - maybe if I
was watching the child, or maybe if I didn't leave that lighter out on the
table, it wouldn't have happened." - Nope, she just sue'd everyone she
could.. After all, how could it be her fault.. Now, for the rest of my
life, I'll be breaking those stupid things off the lighters before I take
a bong hit.. It sucks..
    Now this is sort of an odd parrallel to what happened here, but I
think the point is that no one wanted the kid to burn down his house, just
as no one wants newtek to screw up any more than they already have. We all
want to help, and open discussions are a big part of it. I think both you
(brad) and lee are very passionate about lightwave, and newtek. Or else
you wouldn't have had all these problems to begin with. So why don't you
guys just call a truce, leave each other alone for a little while, and
think about it. I'm sure you can both learn some lessons out of it, even
you lee. You may very well be the worlds smartest toaster guy, but maybe
not the worlds best diplomat.
    Not that I'm much better - I've always been the blunt, abnoxious type
myself.. hehe..




Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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|>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fusion Films)
|>writes:
|>
|>>Sorry for the rant, but if you look at Fred Floaty and realize that it
|>>was done with LW 1.0, you'd understand that almost anything can be
|>>accomplished with just a little thought.
|>>
|>>
|>
|>     You know, I could swear mark said it was done with 2.0.. but your
|>point is still valid...
|>
|>
|>
|>Jason Booth
|>Second Nature, Inc
  I believe it was started in 1.0 and finished in 2.0 . I csn't remember when
 Mark first showed it to us, but I know it WAS pretty early in LW's development
 cycle. I know that bones were noexsistant. He was pushing the envelope pretty
 far back then. Also remember Mark was of the early beta testers for LW and
 the toaster. He was at that time employed as an Engineer and was working LW
 in his own time. In talking with Mark it quickly became apparent that he had
 the ability to create many effects that were not available in the software.
 He accomplished this through his knowledge of LW and exceptional understanding
 of 3D in general. Come to think of it, I don't even think extrude along path
 was available at the time he did Fred Floaty because we were comparing features
 between Imagine(I was using it then) and LW. Regardless Mark is a prime example
 that it is the creative individual that makes the difference not the software.

 -bill

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|>      Second, when doing lots of operations on an object, and then
|>trippling the object at the end - you'll often end up with less polygons
|>than if the object had been created out of triangles from the start. This
|>becomes expecialy noticable when doing lots of bouleon operations.
|>
|>
|>
|>Jason Booth
|>Second Nature, Inc.
  Also note that LW makes it very east to select only the nonplaner polys,
  so these are often the only ones that need to be tripled.

 -bill

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|>I should be more explicit.  NewTek would heavily promote that a particular
|>show used LightWave when the version of LightWave that could actually be
|>purchased simply couldn't produce the same results or could do so only with a
|>tremendous amount of extra effort.  It is called stretching the truth -
|>particularly when you use such a stretch to sell your product.  Like I said in
|>the part of my post that you did not include, there ARE some definite benefits
|>to this process.  NewTek used to stretch the truth a lot in their promotional
|>materials and it has always bothered me a bit.
|>
|>
|>
|>Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
|>Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
|>http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

 Jay,
 I don't think NewTek is alone in this type of activity. I would imagine all
 software developers have Beta Testers and that when it comes time to place
 an AD I don't think they would pass by a great pic done by one of their
 beta versions, especially if the features are to be included in the next
 release. BTW what features were used in B5 that you found were missing ?

 -bill

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When rendering I set the save file type to JPEG but no file was saved at all.
If I set to IFF it works OK.

Anyone know whats wrong ?

Mark
[e-mail]

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I waited for rev. C to fix this.  I'm waiting
still.  The poor work around is to use HIIP=avi
(bad pixelation) for tests and reload a new LW for
NewTek-AVI output.

I called LW long distance several times about
exactly this problem last week.  No calls back.


Adam Chrystie wrote:
>
> Simon Blackledge wrote:
>
> > This may be a bug but i run nt 3.51 &lw 4c and newtek avi has only
> > crashed once when i stopped it rendering on a save to avi.but it did
> > not do it again.I have also rendered an avi then saved the scene and
> > it`s loaded with no probs.i use codec cinipak by radius if anyones intrested?
>
>   This was not the issue.. TRY this..render an AVI save it as
> avi1.AVI RENDER teh SAME SCENE again..save it as
> avi2.AVI..load up AVI2.AVI in media player...I BET you have a
> blank animation..this is what i want fixxed preferably
> via a patch or a new plugin offered via FTP,bbs..etc..It
> would also be nice to provide a fix for the other annoying
> feature of not being able to save AVI save information in the
> scene file.
>
> Adam Chrystie

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Joe Monahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: In article <4iurat$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
: (InstntGuts) wrote:

: Also, the gaming industry is rapidly turning away from 3D Studio as its
: audience gets more sophisticated and demands better effects that Studio is
: incapable of. Take a look at the newest Donkey Kong and Wing Commander.
: Both Alias.

: I personnally think Studio's days are numbered.

Well, I've seen and played with 3dS Max and have to tell you that you're
wrong, I think. Even without a geometry acceleration board, it has a
quick shaded mode that allows you to use and manipulate shaded objects,
in realtime. In LW, you want to see something shaded you have to leave
the layout interface and do a test render. Max also has an interactive
partical system which you can watch, in color, while manipulating
partical objects, a better graph editor for animation, and programmers
who don't have a religious commitment against patches and NURBS.

I've never much cared for Studio, being as you say, overpriced for what
you get. Max appears to be going after Softimage more than LW, and by
Siggraph we'll know if it's succeeding. From what I've seen, and
experienced with it, it's got every known feature well integrated into
the interface.

LW has great features, but it's really due for serious revision that
takes into account 3D accelerator cards and NURBS, has shading and
rendering available in preview mode and interactively in layout, and a
better animation graph editor. They still haven't adjusted to the fact
that the platform they are now working in at minimum has 256 colors
available for the interface. And while their modeler has many nice
features, it needs to be integrated with layout.

Lastly, they desparately need multi-target deformation, which is where
you can have several different target morph objects blended with varying
percentages, allowing mouth and eyebrows to be animated separately even
though they are part of the same object. That's the simplest example I
can think of.

: Joe Monahan

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> No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
> look like CGI!  They aren't even close to realistic!  They look cool, that's


No no no, Star wars etc _do_ look real, very real. Very very real. Just not
realistic. Big difference.

(BTW, half the point in "escapist" fiction is for realisticism (new word :) to
go sit in a corner so we can see some very real-looking fiction, rather than
realistic real-looking fiction, which by definition, is probably going to be no
more exciting than Real Life :)
(BTW that last bit is a _joke_, albeit intended to make ya think, but not
serious enough to merit reply :)



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From: [e-mail] (Phillip Finch)
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[e-mail] (J Plant) wrote:

>You're right, it shouldn't have taken this long, but...well, there
>are a couple of reasons why. First, it took us a bit longer to get all the
>author releases to re-publish the articles. We didn't really have to do
>this; fair use gives us the right to re-publish these works in a compiled
>form without permission or compensation, but we felt it was the right
>thing to do. Secondly, we had some problems locating some old pieces of
>film from early issues. We've used a number of printers over the years and
>it took longer to dig through the archives than we anticipated. Those were
>the two major reasons for the delay.

> P.S. Our policy on immediately charging credit cards is based on our
>credit card merchant agreement that states that we must charge orders
>within three days of receipt or they are invalid.

In the past few weeks I have charged back-orders with Barnes&Noble,
Fractal Design, Tiger Software, and Lands End, and Netscape for items
that weren't yet ready to ship. Every one charged the card when the
goods shipped, not before. I buy a lot of mail order, and never once
have  I been told, "We can't ship right away, but we still have to
charge your card because of our merchant agreement."

Nevertheless,  if AMG's merchant agreement is that restrictive, then
you shouldn't be taking orders, at all, until the book is ready to go.
You do not hold customers' money for three or four months. (And if you
*do* hold customers' money for three or four months, then a little
postcard  like "We haven't forgotten about you, but if you want to
cancel, give us a call," would be a good idea. It might have
forestalled this little firestorm, anyway).

Similarly, the details of authors' agreements and fair use might be
interesting in another forum, but they really shouldn't be of concern
to your customers. Those agreements should have been worked out before
you wrote your first order.

And, I'm sorry, the excuse that "we couldn't find the pieces of film"
falls into the category of "the dog ate my homework."

Negotiate reprint rights at the time you purchase articles. Get a new
filing system. Or not; it really doesn't matter to me.  As a customer,
my end of the deal is to pay you money. As a vendor, your end of the
deal is to ship product...not excuses.







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: trumpet or a fender stratocaster, and a little picture of Jennifer McKnew
: of the Post Group looking gooey-eyed into the camera saying how Lightwave
: has changed her life. (I'm joking, of course)


Oh Man!  I thought I was the only one who remembers her in that video!!
"The premade surfaces that come with Lightwave are excellent, tee hee
hee"  She may be an excellent animator, but that video made her look....
well, unprofessional to say the least.

Paul
--
     *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
     *       Paul Griswold                      [phone]     *
     *     Fusion Films, Inc.                 [e-mail]   *
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From: [e-mail] (Graeme Turner)
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A few weeks ago someone mentioned a utility for reducing the number of colors
used in an AVI file.

I believe the utility was called vfd90 or something similar.

Can someone please mail this to me or point me to an ftp site where I can
download. (I assume it is shareware)

Thanx

Graeme

___________________________________________________________________
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From: [e-mail] (Jan-Willem Korver)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
wrote:

>I'm sure that someone has asked this before, but I was wonderring if there is
>a way to, after you build an object, that then you could reduce the number of
>polygons it has? Like after I make a mountain range, but parts of it are flat
>and havn't been moved up or anything? Did I make sense? If the answer is to
>long or annoying to give, then just tell me where to look in the manual?

mmm. I'm note sure what you mean. There are several ways to reduce he polygon
count of an object. The quantize option being one of them.
What exactly is it you want?


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From: [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson)
Subject: Re: 32 bit output on Intel Lightwave?
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+-- [e-mail] writes:
| >   Joe Porkka <[e-mail]> writes:
| >  Most of Elastic Reality's products use HIIP for output.
| >  This includes our Elastic Reality package for Windows 3.1,
| >  Windows NT, and Windows 95.
| >  It uses (essentially) the same HIIP as what is used in
| >  Lightwave.
|    [...]
| >  Funny how our software doesn't have these problems. Hmmmm..
|
|     Pretty low blow.  "Essentially" doesn't hack it:  obviously it is the
| >interface< between LW and HIIP that is screwed, and I believe that THAT
| was ASDG's job to make functional.

It's one thing to build a software system for use in your own
product; it's another thing entirely to try to build a system
that you'll package and sell as a portable utility.  Such a
utility would have to be much more robust and general purpose.
The HIIP package we received was an overdesigned, underpowered
hack.  Considering how limited the functionality was, I was
amazed at the complexity of the implementation -- complexity
was had to work around to make it work at all.  Even if it
worked perfectly it would never do everything we needed.  I
think NewTek was ripped off.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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From: edbo <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 3rd party books/tutorials
Date: 25 Mar 1996 00:16:31 GMT
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Manuel Coats <[e-mail]> writes:
> Townski wrote:
> >
> > Please recommend a good Lightwave book. I am using 4.0 for the PC and am
> > finding some (lots) of things I could do with tutorials on.
> > I'm in the U.K, so please would any replies state where I can order or
> > details on cost etc.? This would be most appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul Townend.
>
> Besides the manuals that came with 4.0, I believe that the only Lightwave
> specific book on the market that's any good is Alan Chans book,
> "THE FX KIT FOR LIGHTWAVE".
>
> You can order the book through Lightspeed.  Price is $34.95.
> US Orders 800-764-8696
> All Other Orders 805-726-3545
> Fax Orders 805-726-3544
>
> COD's are accepted.
>
> Or you can send check/Money order to:
>
> Lightspeed
> Attn:Fx Kit Orders
> 2763 West Avenue L Suite 172
> Lancaster, Ca. 93536
>
> For more information on this book and the 8 new videos being released by
> Lightspeed, check out :  http://www.webcom.com/lghtspd


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On 24 Mar 1996, William H. Ivey wrote:

> >This is what I'm looking forward to seeing: *inhabited* spaceships -
> >they sail right by and you can see activity in each window - eating,
> >exercising, reading, playing, bathing...

> It would definitely add something - remember the upside-down and
> sideways rooms in the 2001: space station dock, or the long pull back
> showing Bruce Dern in the galley window of the Valley Forge in Silent
> Running? How hard could it be to do it in CG?-Wm

    This sort-of interested me.  I have had an offer for as much time
as I want to learn Toaster and Lightwave 3d by the media director of a
rather...monetarily endowed school (mostly to teach him how it all works)
and I've worked as a volunteer in a non-profit video production studio...
    Could you not overlay the ship texture over video of whatever is
going on inside the ship---all you would have to have is footage of
whatever you want happening inside.  Or are you talking about CG animated
characters?

                -=-Nighthawk-=-


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>: No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they
just don't
>: look like CGI!
>
>    How do you know?  How many spacecraft have you seen that have
>    done battle in space and in the atmosphere, take off and land
>    countless times, are kept in garages and makeshift hangars, and
are
>    maintained by under-funded mechanics (between being dunked in
>    alien swamps and flying through the debris of exploded planets).
>
>    No one knows what this looks like...
>

>

For Star Wars, Joe Johnston painted many of the ship surfaces based on
what real airplanes, ships, -whatever, looked like after they had been
around the block a few times.

The Star Wars universe makes sense and could be argued that it looks
real because the ships that inhabit this universe are painted in a
manner consistent with there useage.  Craft that travel through the
atmosphere or crash into swamps have dirt and grim on them consistent
with this type of activity.  Star Destroyers and the like are clean,
because they don't expose themselves to this type of environment.  It
all makes sense, and there is a specific amount of "reality" that is
followed and applied to the art direction of the series.

Much of this type of detail is lost in CGI because it's not an easy or
quick method of model construction.  Nothing happens by default in the
world of CG, it all has to planned, one texture map and mesh at a time.

GT


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From: [e-mail]
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> I personnally think Studio's days are numbered.

Well, unless the rumours of a 3dsr5 turn out to have substance, then 3ds4 is
the end of the line. Ie, you're right. :)


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-------------------------------
Well, I've seen and played with 3dS Max and have to tell you that you're
wrong, I think. Even without a geometry acceleration board, it has a
quick shaded mode that allows you to use and manipulate shaded objects,
in realtime.
--------------------------------

The cat has been let out of the bag - the next version of LW has Open GL
integrated. That seems to answer that....


When it ships is another story, of course...



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From: srp@void (Stephen Pietrowicz)
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Subject: Re: Unplugging the dongle
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Is it safe to attach or remove a dongle while the system is on?


No.

--
[e-mail]

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On 3/24/96 2:44PM, in message <1996Mar25.104458@cantva>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> > No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
> > look like CGI!  They aren't even close to realistic!  They look cool,
> that's
>
>
> No no no, Star wars etc _do_ look real, very real. Very very real. Just not
> realistic. Big difference.
>
>
>

No no no, you got it backwards.  It may look realistic but it doesn't look
real.  Real is real.  Realistic means it sort of has the appearance of looking
real but without actually being real.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 3/24/96 2:44PM, in message <1996Mar25.104458@cantva>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> > No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
> > look like CGI!  They aren't even close to realistic!  They look cool,
> that's
>
>
> No no no, Star wars etc _do_ look real, very real. Very very real. Just not
> realistic. Big difference.
>
>
>

No no no, you got it backwards.  It may look realistic but it doesn't look
real.  Real is real.  Realistic means it sort of has the appearance of looking
real but without actually being real.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 3/24/96 2:44PM, in message <1996Mar25.104458@cantva>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> > No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
> > look like CGI!  They aren't even close to realistic!  They look cool,
> that's
>
>
> No no no, Star wars etc _do_ look real, very real. Very very real. Just not
> realistic. Big difference.
>
>
>

No no no, you got it backwards.  It may look realistic but it doesn't look
real.  Real is real.  Realistic means it sort of has the appearance of looking
real but without actually being real.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (Jim May)
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In article <4ipa1g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Foust) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] says...
> >
> >
> >_Why_ does the business exist?  That is the ultimate reason for being
> >there in the first place -- what is called "final causation" by
> >Aristotle.
>
> Why do most businesses exist?  To make money.  If you don't do that,
> you're sunk.

Most businesses that exist "to make money" don't.  That is because making
money is not an end (that is, not a proper "final cause"), but a _means_
to something else.  This is evidenced by the fact that money has no value
except in its ability to purchase directly useful things.  Money itself is
only a means to actual values.

"Making money" as a purpose necessarily implies the question "what for"?
There is no "what for" with final causes; they represent the end of the
string of "why"s.

Individuals who think that their business exists primarily "to make money"
are the ones who place profits over product (since the making of the
product is placed secondary to the overriding "make money" premise).  They
are the ones who alienate their staff by emphasizing disincentives and
lowered cost.  They are the ones who will just as quickly show a profit by
accounting jugglery as by actually improving profitability.  They are the
ones who find themselves looking at people as being means to money, rather
than as ends in themselves.  They are the ones who pay more attention to
who is who, who is screwing who and where the skeletons are, rather than
actually doing their job.  They are the ones who think that a salary is
the measure of happiness, then retire with angst-ridden guilt, wondering
if their dollar-chasing lives were really worth it.  They are Peter
Keating, rather than Howard Roark.

Businesses based on the "make money" premise are the ones who cut costs in
shortsighted fashion, destroying morale and initiative by slicing and
dicing in order to show some kind of positive cash flow for the next board
meeting.  They are the ones who would just as soon swallow millions of
dollars in corporate welfare as actually be profitable, as both qualify as
"making money".  They are the ones with monstrous turnover rates, as they
would rather save a few bucks an hour paying below-entry-level wages to
short-lived new staff, rather than offering top dollar for the best
people.  They are the ones who eventually collapse for lack of vision, who
leave a golden parachute for some and a smoking hole for the rest (see
Commodore!).

Funny thing about all that, is that this is the popular conception -- and
indictment -- of free markets, when it's just the result of a bad premise.

If I were to establish a production house that specialized in LightWave
animation, _doing LightWave animations_ is the final cause, for that is
what I am happy doing.  I will get my best vision and long-term
profitability from those who want to animate and who want to be the best
at it -- those with _passion_ for their work.  Someone who is working to
make money will have no more interest in working for me than he would
fixing copiers; his only passion would be on payday.

Of course, I have to make money, too.  That is, after all, the means to my
final cause.

> What if someone comes along and shows that programmers wearing
> t-shirts has no detrimental effect, or shows that putting two
> sales droids in suits helps the bottom line?

Then these facts are integrated with your final cause, and decisions are
made based on them (if needed).   NOT because everybody else is doing it,
and NOT because of imagined customer or public perceptions.

> - John

Jim M.



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Oh Man!  I thought I was the only one who remembers her in that video!!
"The premade surfaces that come with Lightwave are excellent, tee hee
hee"  She may be an excellent animator, but that video made her look....
well, unprofessional to say the least.
------------------------------

Give the woman a break - I directed the video, and I helped edit one
version of it so I saw the clip in question a LOT. She did NOT giggle
after saying the pre-made surfaces are good - she went on to explain how
she could tweak a surface and get a great look. She seemed basically fine
to me - but of course, she's a GIRL and therefore an easy target...notice
how many female types post here?!? It's a boy's club...






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Definitely cool. Imagine then, someone in a sideways room playing
handball against the hull window? In Space, No One Can Hear You Lob...

    Also, how stable is Lightwave under windows, either NT or '95? I'm
moving from the Mac platform and I'm kind of curious.
    Any takers on this question? Anyone? Anyone?

                                            -Ken Mayfield

William H. Ivey wrote:
>
> It would definitely add something - remember the upside-down and
> sideways rooms in the 2001: space station dock, or the long pull back
> showing Bruce Dern in the galley window of the Valley Forge in Silent
> Running? How hard could it be to do it in CG?-Wm

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> No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
> look like CGI!  They aren't even close to realistic!  They look cool, that's
> what they look like.  The shots in Apollo 13 and 2001 look pretty real.  In
> duplicating the look of the Voyager model, we weren't making something that
> looked real, we were making something that looked fake but in an agreed upon
> way (by the public).
> --
>                       -=Fred=-

Funny, they look (mostly) real to me. Factually incorrect? Without a doubt, and
blatantly so. But so what? They're real in a purely visual sense all the same.
Let me repeat that: a purely visual sense. Looking cool is not part of the
question. Many cartoon spaceships look cool as well.

I think you're getting scientific and visual reality mixed up. One does not
always require the other. To me, a "real"-looking spaceship is one that can pass
for its full-scale counterpart, regardless of present scientific conventions
(such as the nonexistence of warp drive) or artistic licence (in elements such as
lighting). As you know from first-hand experience, Voyager and other shows ignore
many scientific rules in creating their SFX shots. The lighting is often soft and
even, with a nice fill that could not possibly exist outside of an effects
studio. This conflicts totally with the lighting in 2001, yet I still think both
approaches look convincing in their own respects. True, a real Voyager orbiting a
planet would be as harshly lit as any craft of today. In interstallar space, I
expect it would be little more than a black silhouette with pinponts of light
where the portholes are. But even well-lit in a way that defies reality, does it
still look like a big-ass ship roaming the galaxy? To me, yes it does in a purely
visual sense, and science be damned. That's what I mean by real.

This whole argument we've been having could be transplanted neatly into a
discussion of space *sound effects*. What about all those weapons blasts and
rumbling engines? Pure invention. Of course you couldn't hear such things in
space, but try and sit through one of the Star Wars films without them. So the
TIE fighter engine sound is really a speeded-up semitrailer -- it seems no less
real or plausible than the whole idea of an aircraft-style dogfight in space.
Given that all these things are complete nonsense, it all meshes together to
create an experience that I happily treat as real.

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Star Wars and Lightwave
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 02:27:13 -0500
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> >This is what I'm looking forward to seeing: *inhabited* spaceships -
> >they sail right by and you can see activity in each window - eating,
> >exercising, reading, playing, bathing...
> >
> >                                                               -Ken Mayfield
>
> It would definitely add something - remember the upside-down and
> sideways rooms in the 2001: space station dock, or the long pull back
> showing Bruce Dern in the galley window of the Valley Forge in Silent
> Running? How hard could it be to do it in CG?-Wm

I was watching one of those "Movie Magic" shows tonight where they explain how
different effects were done. They showed a clip from Apollo 13, with the craft
veering out of control past the camera. As the ship approached and then receded,
I noticed that the view through the command module window changed perspective as
well. You could see the top of someone's head gradually revealed, along with
interior detail. If they had shot a sequence with a locked-down camera and
mapped it inside the window, it would have stood out very badly as a perspective
error. Because it was done properly (and was in this case probably part of the
3D model), I didn't notice it at all the first time. How's that for a well-done
effect?

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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On 3/24/96 7:39AM, in message <4j3qaq$[e-mail]>, Michael Powell
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> : On 3/23/96 12:11PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Andrew Hofman
> : <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> : > That's my whole point. Let me rephrase it: The best physical models look
> : > convincingly real and full-scale, which is why I find it odd when someone
> : > disparagingly refers to Star Wars or Voyager as "looking like models", in
> : > favor of B5. The first two are both perfect examples of models that look
> : > real! So if you produced some CGI shots for Voyager that couldn't be
> : > distingushed from models, then you're a step ahead of shows like B5 in
> terms
> : > of CGI realism.
> : > --
> : > Andrew Hofman
> : > LumaQuest Productions
> : > [e-mail]
> : > 513-643-7333
>
> : No no no!  The Voyager and Star Wars shots don't look real, they just don't
> : look like CGI!
>
>   How do you know?  How many spacecraft have you seen that have
>   done battle in space and in the atmosphere, take off and land
>   countless times, are kept in garages and makeshift hangars, and are
>   maintained by under-funded mechanics (between being dunked in
>   alien swamps and flying through the debris of exploded planets).
>
>   No one knows what this looks like...
>
>   Although you may not be referring to the models themselves, and
>   are simply considering the shot overall.... matte lines and
>   garbage matte areas and other limitations of optical
>   processes...  If so, you certainly have a point.
>
>   -mp-
>

Gee, do you think that's what I could have been referring to?
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: Re: standalone renderer for LW needed
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In article <4iu4ll$n4h$[e-mail]>, Marco Tempest <[e-mail]> wrote:
>are there any standalone renderers for LW Intel or must I buy a complete LW
> package for every rendering machine ?
>please advise...
>Marco Tempest
>[e-mail]

Read up on ScreamerNet - it should fufill your needs.

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: AD : Visual FX/Filmmaking Instructional Package Web Page
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AD : Visual FX/Filmmaking Instructional Package Web Page

There's now a dedicated web page for Lee and Ken Stranahan's new training
video and Mac/Windows CD-ROM package. "Access Denied - The Craft Of Visual
Effects Filmmaking" is an exciting new way for anbody to learn more about
budget filmmaking and digital visual effects. The package includes
examples using Adobe's Photoshop, After Effects, Strata's MediaPaint,
Macromedia's Director, and NewTek's LightWave 3D.

The web page with more information is at

      http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

or Email to get on our mailing list :

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: IRC
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 07:01:54 GMT
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HI folks, someone posted a while ago about a regular IRC conference on
Lightwave. Does anyone know if it still runs and where and when I can join it.

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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From: [e-mail] (John Acheson)
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Subject: Re: Zip Drive on NT
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In article <4j444h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>  I really don't think that the zip works well (if at all) under NT.
>Maybe it does now. I have an Iomega tape backup drive and it stopped
>working when I switched to NT, and their official stance is "we don't
>support NT, contact Microsoft".  I ended up getting the Syquest EZ 135,
>works like a charm, love it!
>
>later
>greg

Hi greg -

I have a syquest EZ135 that i had hoped to use with NT, but was told by
syquest that NT had a problem recognizing removeable media changes. Have you
had any problems with this? Is your syquest IDE or SCSI - the unit I have is
IDE, perhaps this is the difference?

BTW did find out something on zip drives - got the same "no support" message
concerning a parallel style zip, but was told SCSI version would work fine -
plugged it into an adaptec 1571 (think i got the number right) and it works
like a champ - thru media changes and all.


Thanks,

John



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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Subject: Re: Unplugging the dongle
Date: 25 Mar 1996 01:17:20 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Is it safe to attach or remove a dongle while the system is on?

might be like pulling teeth while awake with a 120v lamp cord still
plugged in.


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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is there anyone using Dust out there...any comments??

Chris



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From: "gil" <[e-mail]>
Subject: W95 Game SDK
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    Why always LW and not 3DS?
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Hello,
Does anyone know if DirectDraw (game SDK ) supports the 640x400x256
resolution ?  I mean somebody have been using it at all? If so, what version
was it?

Cheers.
Gil



This disclaimer  absolves the author of any and all responsability for past, present and future events.



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From: [e-mail] (Mark Whitney)
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On 03-24-96, LEUEY was going on about Re: Zip Drive on NT

L>From: [e-mail] (Leuey)
  >  I really don't think that the zip works well (if at all) under NT.
  >Maybe it does now. I have an Iomega tape backup drive and it stopped
  >working when I switched to NT, and their official stance is "we don't
  >support NT, contact Microsoft".  I ended up getting the Syquest EZ
  >135, works like a charm, love it!
  >


Ya, I've got two of the SCSI Syquests now; one for each machine. You
still have to format from DOS however as Syquest hasn't come out with NT
utilities yet. Minor annoyance but I'm sure it will get resolved in the
near future, particularly with the growth NT is getting these days.


M.

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 * CMPQwk 1.42 #6.3 Whips and chains?  Sorry, that's a hardware problem.

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From: [e-mail] (Steven Johansen)
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Subject: Re: Questions on LW
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    Re: LW vs 3ds.

     As far as plugins go LW includes in its basic release version
the following features which are ($200 ?) plugins for 3DS

        Bones
        LensFlares
        Displacement mapping

        not sure about these others

        Inverse kinematics
        Morphing of objects(I'm really unsure of this one)

    LW also has my favourite feature     Metaforming.

--
X

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From: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:27:35 -0500
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Walter (Jay) Turberville wrote:
> >--->Parent To Camera
> >>==============
> >>Why not offer the camera as a parent object? This way you could parent
> >a
> >>light behind the camera, move about the scene, and everything you look
>
> >>at will always be lit up. I always find lighting difficult and this
> >>would be a big time saver, if only during test renderings at
> >least.<----
>
> >OK, here's a work-around.  Once you have a completed camera motion
> >path, save the motion, load it to a null, parent you light to the null,
> >make adjustments to the light, create a key and you're done!
>
> >GT
>
> Hmmm - how 'bout parenting the camera to a Null.  Rename the Null something
> like CameraNull.  Parent your light to CameraNull.  Then use the CameraNull
> object as though it is your camera.

When I tried this, I get real screwy rotations. When I rotate the null,
the camera goes off in weird directions. Any clues?

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Pinello Plugin?
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:39:50 GMT
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[e-mail] (Alan Ridgeway) wrote:

>In article <4i6lqt$[e-mail]>, brad prosise <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Has anyone used the full blown pinello plugin for lightwave on
>> the PC. (not the demo included). I would like some impressions
>> regarding its use. Also I need to know where I can get it. Is
>> it made by Xaos Tools or someone else. Thanks for any
>> information.
>> --


>you will find they have some cool additions to Penello
>Pro.

Pennello Pro is still in development, but is entering the final
stages. There will be public announcements about its ship date at NAB.
We will of course post the smae info to this group at the same time.

It is very cool! There are lots of new built in features and nearly
everything is configurable.

As soon as Xaos and NewTek are ready to make public announcements, I
will make sure you guys are the first to know.

BP
NewTek


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From: David Forbus <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Animation Question
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:47:56 -0600
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To: "deirdre l. hammer" <[e-mail]>

deirdre l. hammer wrote:
>
> This may be the wrong newsgroup, but I'm starting here.  I have an Amiga
> 4000 w/Toaster3.1 and Lightwave.  I have created animations in the past
> with solid backgrounds or b.g.s using imported images.  I want to create
> a simple animation with a keyed background, so that I may take into the
> switcher part of the Toaster and overlay it over video.  It should be
> able to be done, since alot of the effects on toaster are keyed
> animations.  Can anyone help me?  Or, please lead me to the right
> newsgroup.  Thanks!

Go to the SAVE panel. Near the top is the choices for saving animation
types. Select save VT4000 overlay animation. You will be limited to the
amount of RAM your toaster has. If you have 16Mb Fast RAM you can save
an animation that is 6 seconds in length. (Actually, you can save any
length you want, but your system will only be able to play back an
animation of that length.) You can choose an animation that loops or
not. You will be limited as to how much movement is in the scene. It's
all in your manual.

DLF

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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On Sun 24-Mar-1996  1:26p, Leuey wrote:
L>   I really don't think that the zip works well (if at all) under NT.
L> Maybe it does now. I have an Iomega tape backup drive and it stopped
L> working when I switched to NT, and their official stance is "we don't
L> support NT, contact Microsoft".  I ended up getting the Syquest EZ 135,
L> works like a charm, love it!

L> later
L> greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just thought I'd through in my two cents. I have a Zip and it works great on
my NT 3.5.1 system. The software that came with it didn't do squat though and
I kept trying to get it to work that way before I realised that the NT OS just
didn't need the software.......hmmmm The one problem that I did have, was that
when i plugged it into the back of the machine, it always bumped all the drive
letters up one and then I couldn't get any of my programs to work fron the
icons and the only way I was able to get them to work was by using the Run A
Program from the Program Manager. So what i did was to install another SCSI
cable that bypassed the other devices and now everything works fine...


..............see ya..........md :)

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Subject: Re: Animation Question
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:59:04 -0600
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To: "Jeffery S. Jones" <[e-mail]>

Jeffery S. Jones wrote:

>   AFAIK, the Toaster Switcher will *not* key an Amiga animation, not
> even a "normal" Toaster ANIM, except if processed into an effect.
>
>   The Genlock program will do it, but you cannot access it directly from
> the Switcher, and you need to use an anim player compatible with
> whatever format you use.  I don't know of any which will play the
> Toaster's own ANIM format, unfortunately.
>
>   I also have the 3.1 Toaster. If there are other ways to deal with
> these things, it would be nice to know.  The 4.1 software adds new
> abilities, but I don't know if these are addressed.
>
> --
> *-__________________________ | *Starfire* | _________________________-*
> Jeff Jones  email:[e-mail]   *//* Amiga Lives!  Born
> *TFG* *Starfire* Design Studio         *\\//* 1985-1994, again 1995!
> --

This guy does not know what he is talking about. You select the
animation to be a Toaster overlay animation and render it to your
framestor directory. To play the animation over video, put your video
on the program buss, select the animation like a framestore, once loaded
hit the space bar and bingo....... the animation plays over video.
Animations like the "wedding bells" "transition" can be done without
any special software. I have done it a dozen times.

DLF

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:18:20 GMT
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[e-mail] (Stranahan) wrote:


>Well, many people have posted publically about NewTek's seeming total lack
>of any coherent marketing vision, and the resulting poor sales and
>visibility. But it is your product to manage...

>If you want an example of how to handle online criticism, check out Jim
>Plant's response recently to questions about the LWPro compliation. He
>explained things, took responsibility, and nipped any nastiness in the
>bud. (All without one freakin' smiley face, either.)

You are perfectly correct Lee.I'll try to be more professional.
Sometimes postings are misinterpretted and people feel threatened. I
wanted to make sure Brian didnt think I was attacking him personally,
and for everyone to know it was a light-hearted posting.


>Contrast that with your repsonses, Brad - I mean, you came online and
>point blank lied about the Deskstation deal a few months back, then you
>laid low while the marketing discussions were going on.

I posted that the DeskStation deal was not exclusive, and it wasnt.
Leaving the group a few months ago was a mistake and I wont do it
again.

> Popping up and
>saying 'hey! things will get better, send me suggestions!' isn't exactly
>instilling confidence. I realize that the problems at NewTek aren't all
>your fault, and I don't envy you trying to explain the inexplicable...but
>find another tactic than smiling and burying your head in the sand.

Point taken. Actions speak louder than words. I will no longer speak
about things that are in the works. I will not make personal attacks,
and I will not criticize any member of this group. Rather, I will just
try harder to do my job as product manager of LightWave 3D. As long as
this group is unhappy, I am failing. I apologize whole heartedly to
Allen, Stuart, the whole LightWave team, NewTek, and all users of
LightWave 3D.

I hope everyone will make it to NAB to see what the LightWave team has
been up to. They have been tremendously busy.

Anyone on the group that makes it to NAB please stop by the booth and
look me up, I like to put faces to the names. In fact, if your going
to be there, send me an email and maybe we can get a usenet breakfast
or lunch together. I know Chuck Baker is planning something along
these lines, perhaps we can merge the two.

Brad Peebler
NewTek


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From: [e-mail] (Michael B. Comet)
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In a previous article [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge) said:

>
> Anyone noticed that it mirrors your objects?

        Yeah kind of annoying.  I can only surmise that this is a
difference in the coordinate system used by OpenGL.  RHS/LHS difference
maybe.


--
| Michael B. Comet - [e-mail]
| http://inswww.ins.cwru.edu/php/comet/
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph J. Lawson)
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Feel free to add Joe Lawson, MontAnimation, Great Falls, Montana


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From: [e-mail](Alan Chan )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
Date: 25 Mar 1996 15:48:49 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> TL Westgate <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>When I tried this, I get real screwy rotations. When I rotate the
null,
>the camera goes off in weird directions. Any clues?

That's cos your camera is not at zero position and zero rotation.
Select Camera, reset and keyframe for both move and rotate, that should
fix it.

AC


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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:49:29 -0500
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If you're going to use a null to control camera movement, you need to delete all
of the camera's keyframes and leave it centered at 0,0,0 with no rotation.
Anything else, and you'll go insane trying to guess where it will end up when you
move it. You then treat the null as if it were the camera. The tough part is
remembering not to start moving the camera itself.

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: LW stability under NT (was Re: Star Wars and Lightwave)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:54:46 -0500
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>         Also, how stable is Lightwave under windows, either NT or '95? I'm
> moving from the Mac platform and I'm kind of curious.
>         Any takers on this question? Anyone? Anyone?
>
>
>            -Ken Mayfield

I run it on a couple Raptor3's (under NT of course) and have found the final
release version to be extremely stable. Same for ScreamerNet and Modeler,
although I recently did get one missing frame during a SNet rendering session.
First time that's ever happened.

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Abekas or .TAR drivers for Win, WinNT
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:00:50 -0500
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Does anyone know where I could scare up an Abekas or .TAR driver for
Exabytes? I need to run one under WinNT (Alpha) or Win95 (Intel).

Thanks.

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: re: Star Wars and Lightwave
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On 3/23/96 12:23PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Ken Mayfield
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> This is what I'm looking forward to seeing: *inhabited* spaceships -
> they sail right by and you can see activity in each window - eating,
> exercising, reading, playing, bathing...
>
>                               -Ken Mayfield

Actually, I think we could do without the first four.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: 25 Mar 1996 16:49:41 GMT
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In article <4j4rvd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>The cat has been let out of the bag - the next version of LW has Open GL
>integrated. That seems to answer that....
>
>When it ships is another story, of course...

3DS Max uses the HEIDI system of drivers, developed by Autodesk
subsidiary Ithaca Software, makers of HOOPS.  It doesn't use
OpenGL, but it does use many 3D hardware accelerator cards.
How HEIDI compares to WinNT-level OpenGL is open to discussion.

When what ships?  LW 5.0 / "Tombstone" or Max?

- John


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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
Date: 25 Mar 1996 11:53:07 -0500
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<<No no no, you got it backwards.  It may look realistic but it doesn't
look real.  Real is real.  Realistic means it sort of has the appearance
of looking real but without actually being real.
--
                      -=Fred=->>

"Danger, Will Robinson -- alien tautology approaching!"

I think the only thing important in the depiction or representation of
_anything_ that one wants to make "real" or "believable" is
*verisimilitude* -- the "appearance of being real." That is, if people
believe in whatever you're representing. It's kinda irrelevant that one
argues that something doesn't look "real" because you know it doesn't
exist. I don't walk down the street, seeing jumpcuts and people walking in
slow motion with film grain, and credits scrolling over my field of view,
either, but I accept this when I see a piece of movie film *depicting*
this. If, every time one looked at something one had to judge whether it
was real or not, and constantly say, "oh, this isn't real," then fiction
-- hell, art of any kind -- wouldn't exist.

The only thing that matters is the suspension of disbelief -- "does this
look like the thing that this is supposed to represent, whether it really
exists or not?" If yes, then the artists have done their job. If not, then
maybe not. OTOH, a lot of people don't believe in things that really DO
exist, whether you show them photos (another depiction, not "real") or
not. "Reality" is a state of mind. (Boy, that sounds like a SIG line.)

I've never seen the U.S.S. Voyager fly over my house -- but I believe that
the model, whether physical or CGI, looks like... well, a realistic
depiction of the mythical U.S.S. Voyager, a 24th century starship lost who
knows where... I believe that it's what it's supposed to be.

If it were a purple Adidas shoebox tooling through space, crawling with an
inch-thick matte line, I probably wouldn't think so. <g>

-- Jon



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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
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Brad wrote...

-----------------------------------
You are perfectly correct Lee.I'll try to be more professional.
Sometimes postings are misinterpretted and people feel threatened. I
wanted to make sure Brian didnt think I was attacking him personally,
and for everyone to know it was a light-hearted posting.
------------------------------------

Yeah, I understand how posting are misunderstood.

Good post, Brad. It's what people - and I include myself in that category
- want to see from NewTek. Everything is not a bed of roses, obviously,
but owning up to the problems is the first step to fixing them. I'll
continue to support LightWave, as I've done for years now - and if that
sometimes means calling NewTek on the carpet, so be it. I understand that
NewTek won't LIKE that, but I'm a user and software advocate first. I'd
rather be right then popular.

Again, Brad - thanks for being forthright.




_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Fw: Which 3D program?
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:03:29 -0800
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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
>
> In article <4i9r8s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gord Davison) writes:
> [snip]
>
> >  Furthermore, having a "suite" of programs doesn't necessarily mean having to
> >  laboriously ALT-TAB back and forth between them. For instance, all programs
> >  [or perhaps "modules" would be more suitable in this context] could be
> >  accessed from within the same main screen. Hypothetically speaking, Layout,
> >  Modeller, MeshPaint, etc. could each have a separate box across the top of the
> >  screen, similar to the positioning and function of the SCENE, OBJECTS, SURFACES
> >  buttons in Layout. Click a button and Voilà: the toolset changes to reflect
> >  the module selected. Click another button to access a different module and have
> >  the newly-changed objects/data instantly updated in the current program/module.
>
>
>==========================================================================
> > Gord Davison                      | 2D/3D Animator ¤ Multimedia Designer
>
> Laboriously????   Hey - I'm not expert on interface design.  About all I have
> to say about it is that good interfaces provide alternatives.  To me, that
> means keystrokes and GUI means to access most features.  That said, I think it
> is fairly absurd to call ALT-TAB a "laborious" activity.  It is darn simple
> and quick and is much faster than most mouse actions.  Perhaps it is not an
> elegant way to integrate applications, but laborious?
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

If you want to be able to just push a button instead of Alt-Tab,
just use Win95 or the 95 shell and leave the task bar at the bottom.
Then you can pop between Layout and Modeler or Mesh Paint and Photo
Shop. What more could you ask for? :)

--
 Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Time Warner Interactive
   [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.
 Although legally they own everything I come up with.

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From: [e-mail] (IMD)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Amiga Lightwave Objects TO Mac MINICAD
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (IMD) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (IMD)
>Subject: QUESTION: Amiga Lightwave Objects TO Mac Illustrator
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:54:58

>Does anyone know how I can get Amiga Lightwave OBJECTS to Illustrator on the
>MacIntosh? We've tried taking DXF's over, but the files become enormous, and
>the polygons become undesirably tesselated. Any suggestions?

>Please email answers directly.

>Thanks in advance!


P.S.- We are also trying to get these objects in to MINICAD.

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: 32 bit output on Intel Lightwave?
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:37:48 GMT
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NewTek and ER have been working long and hard to resolve the issues
involved with the HIIP integration. As with any software development
there have been bugs and/or mistakes made on both sides. ER has been
very cooperative and has offered lots of help in getting the HIIP
plug-in functional. We have continued to work together to resolve the
problems we have encountered with the integration of HIIP.

The blame does not lie exclusively in either companies court. NewTek
is responsible for integrating the code, and ER is responsible for
aiding us to that end. We will continue to pursue a fix for these
problems.

Ultimately, the responsibility is NewTeks'. Regardless where the bugs
reside, its our problem. If ER needs to be involved I know from past
experience that they will jump in and lend a hand.

Please send specifics about configuration and symptoms to
[e-mail] so we can continue or quest for flawless AVI and
format support.


Thanks in advance,

BP
NewTek



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From: [e-mail] (Leuey)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Zip Drive on NT
Date: 25 Mar 1996 12:39:30 -0500
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>>Ya, I've got two of the SCSI Syquests now; one for each machine. You
>>still have to format from DOS however as Syquest hasn't come out with NT

>>utilities yet. Minor annoyance but I'm sure it will get resolved in the
>>near future, particularly with the growth NT is getting these days.


  Maybe we don't have the same thing.  My Syquest EZ 135, which I have
hooked up to the parallel port, formats fine under NT.  Go to the disk
administrator, partition the drive, exit, reenter the disk administrator
and format the disk (probably under FAT for the best compatibility if you
want to transfer files)

 greg


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From: David Forbus <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Unplugging the dongle
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:01:56 -0600
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Is it safe to attach or remove a dongle while the system is on?

You can do this, however, whenever you start to render a scene, LW
looks for the dongle. Without it, Lightwave will not render. Why do
you want to remove it in the first place?

DLF

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From: [e-mail] (Joel Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: FS: Video Toaster 4000 system
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A4000/040 (25MHz) with 10MB RAM 660MB harddisk space
1960 and 1084 monitors, Speakers, Joysticks, Mice,
Sync Strainer for 1960

Video Toaster 4000 3.1

Tonnes of software (Imagine, Alladin, Essence I&II,
Forge, AdPro, Real3D, MorphPlus, AdPro, FinalWriter,
DPaintIV, Morph Plus, Professional Conversion Pack
for AdPro, SAS/C++ (w/ RKMs), VistaPro, Terraform,
Scenery Animator, Pegger, CD-x (CD-ROM FS), Distant
Suns, games and more...)

Used primarily for animation - moving to PC because
video functionality isn't nessecary. It has NetBSD
(UNIX) installed in about 330MB of the space. I can
remove this and configure the system as required for
any prospective buyer, and provide any assistance
(via. EMail unless you're in Victoria :) I'm able
to.

Everything works great - looking for $4000USD +
shipping



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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: Re: light 4.0 rev. b
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) wrote:
>On Fri 15-Mar-1996  3:20p, Thies Uhl wrote:
>TU> I have installed the lightwave version 4.0 rev. B under NT. I know that
>TU> there is a revision C for windows 3.11. Does also exist a revision under
>TU> NT?
>
>TU> -Thies-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>What I can't figure out is why on my LW it sez that it's "version Y"...?
>Where is everyone else coming up with a,b,and c versions?......
>
>thanx...........md :)

It's on the CD label.

BTW - where do you see version "Y"?

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: Re: lzh and lha file types
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 10:19:36 GMT
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In article <4j1uor$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Baker) wrote:
>I have Lightwave 3D ver 4.0 on a PC.  I was checking out the Newtek
>ftp site (ftp.newtek.com) to look for some models.  All the models
>seem to be in an .lzh or .lha format/file type.  I am used to .lwo for
>objects and .lws for scenes.  Is there a way I can use or look at the
>lzh or .lha files?  I would greatly appreciate any assistance.
>
>Thanks
>John Baker
>

They are Amiga compression files. There is a utility for the PC called LhaNT
to decompress lha files under NT. (I can't remember whether it works under
95).

If you can't find the utility, E-mail me and I'll send it to you.

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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Jim May wrote:

> Most businesses that exist "to make money" don't.  That is because making
> money is not an end (that is, not a proper "final cause"), but a _means_
> to something else.  This is evidenced by the fact that money has no value
> except in its ability to purchase directly useful things.  Money itself is
> only a means to actual values.

Money doesn't "have" value; it *is* value.

> "Making money" as a purpose necessarily implies the question "what for"?
> There is no "what for" with final causes; they represent the end of the
> string of "why"s.

Your insistence on framing the question in the context of Aristotelian
causality is making you say things that don't make sense.  Absolutely any
reason you care to identify as a final cause can imply the "what for?"
question.  The only end of the string of why's is the big ontological
Why.

Businesses exist to make money, by definition.  "Businesses that don't
exist to make money" is oxymoronic.  Cooperatives, user groups, non-
profit organizations and governments may view money as merely a means.
Businesses, in order to be successful, must regard profit as an end
(often not the only one, and this is where the "final cause" idea will
lead you astray--it admits of only one end).

If you mean that a business should have a "vision," a purpose in addition
to making money, that's not controversial at all.  But it's also not
sensibly defended by appealing to Aristotle.

- Ernie


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From: [e-mail] (Albert Mejias)
Subject: RE: Dust
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>>>
is there anyone using Dust out there...any comments??

Chris
<<<

"Just say NO to drugs."

Al


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From: cjtsui <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Going to E3?
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John Brandwood wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Kent Lidke) wrote:
> >>     ...is anyone going to E3? The video game
> >>convention? I'd be interested in meeting fellow lightwave based video
> >>game creators..
> >
> >>Jason Booth
> >>Second Nature, Inc.
>
> I'll be going, and since I'm trying to persuade my partners that
> Lightwave is a better solution for us than 3DS, I'd love to talk to
> any other game creators using it.
>
> John Brandwood
> Left Field Productions

i hope to be there too, should be interesting

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Does anyone know if a plug-in exists to read IGES files?  Failing that, does
anyone know of any good programme to convert IGES files in to something
readable by LW (preferrably PD/freeware/shareware)?

Thanks in advance.

Gordon Farrell
[e-mail]

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you get a blank AVI Window? try jogging through the avi with
the frame slider. Bring the frame slider to the middle of the
animation and let it go. Repeat this a few times, you will see
your AVI. It was saved.

The fault wasn't with LightWave or HIIP, the above fix
describes a wierd thing that can happen with Microsoft AVI's


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|>If you want further proof, go back and watch a few random episodes of B5.
|>Sometimes you'll find a hanger or other interior shot that looks bitchin' real.
|>Then a spaceship will fly into the scene and blow the whole thing. Those ships
|>look very, very CGI, by comparison to Foundation's own work! So what if the ships
|>couldn't be done using traditional models? They aren't as convincingly real as
|>other elements done by the same people, which tells me Foundation (and even you,
|>deep down) know very well what looks real and what doesn't, and what just plain
|>falls short.
|>
|>If you think I'm turning this into my own personal Foundation slamfest, you're
|>dead wrong. I want to see them do greater and greater work. And despite
|>LightWave's pervasiveness throughout the industry, it is still somehow looked
|>down upon. Continuing to settle for second best won't help matters any.
|>
|>--
|>Andrew Hofman
|>LumaQuest Productions
|>[e-mail]
|>513-643-7333
|>
 I think that some of us have lost perspective on this whole issue. I talk to
 people that are not into the 3D world and they think B5 is great. They even
 remark "how do they do those things". THIS IS THE INTENDED AUDIENCE! If it
 meets approval there then the job is well done. I thought this weeks Hypernauts
 was really good. why, because I enjoyed it. As for "continuing to settle for
 second best" that easy to say if your not doing the work. HELLO, this is
  TV not hollywood. You can say the same for almost every stunt and special
 effect we see on TV, CGI or not. At the end of his tutorial tape on surfacing
 Ron Thorton states "There is an old saying in Hollywood , speed, quality,
 economy, pick two". I think success on a given project is achieved by the
 person that knows what to pick to meet the goal . I think on B5 Ron chose
 wisely .
 BTW of the big three spacs shows B5, Voyager, Deep Space nine my favorite
 is B5.

 -bill


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From: "Mark S. Howard" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for lha archiver
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I'm running Lightwave on an SGI (UNIX OS) and would like to take advantage of
the loads of models availble at ftp sites.  Unfortunately all the stuff I have
found is in .lha format.  Does anyone know where I can find an lha archive
utility that will run on my SGI?

--
Mark S. Howard
E-mail(work): [e-mail]
E-mail(home): [e-mail]


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When what ships?  LW 5.0 / "Tombstone" or Max?
----------------------------------------


The new version of LW


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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On Sun 24-Mar-1996  4:35p, Jan-Willem Korver wrote:
JK> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
JK> wrote:

JK> >I'm sure that someone has asked this before, but I was wonderring if
JK> there is
JK> >a way to, after you build an object, that then you could reduce the
JK> number of
JK> >polygons it has? Like after I make a mountain range, but parts of it are
JK> flat
JK> >and havn't been moved up or anything? Did I make sense? If the answer is
JK> to
JK> >long or annoying to give, then just tell me where to look in the manual?

JK> mmm. I'm note sure what you mean. There are several ways to reduce he
JK> polygon
JK> count of an object. The quantize option being one of them.
JK> What exactly is it you want?


JK> --
JK> ________________
JK> Jan-Willem Korver
JK> MarketGraph, Haarzuilens, The Netherlands
JK> e-mail: [e-mail]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I just wanted to be able to reduce the polygon count on some of the objects
that had too many polys in areas that I felt didn't need any. And thanx for
the tip. I'll give it a try and see what happens. I suppose that it's time for
me to reread the manuals again now that I've been using LW for a bit.
thanx again...................md :)

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
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Subject: Re: Star Wars and LightWave
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On Sat 16-Mar-1996 19:12 , Jay wrote:

J> >pin-hole light sources.  Models tend to have round specular highlights
J> >instead of elongated bursts seen on real objects.  Look at an ad for a
J> >new car and you'll see what I mean.  These issues are addressable, but
J> >they requier alot of work on the part of the artist.  In fact.

J> The highlights you see on new car ads are not generally "natural".
J> Photographing cars for ads is a semi-speciality in itself.  Those
J> highlights are obtained by using very long and wide light sources so that
J> there is one continuous reflection along the car's body.  Beverages ads for
J> beverages that  are packaged in bottles use the same technique.

Look at a new car ad and you're seeing a tribute to the airbrush, either the
literal thing or the virtual one in somebody's software package.  Both print
and video ads undergo considerable post-processing and are no indicators of
what a natural look is.  They do look "cool".

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave Suggestions
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In article <4j165g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge) wrote:
>In message <4iurkf$[e-mail]>
>        [e-mail](William Teegarden) writes:
>
>
>
>> --->Parent To Camera
>> >==============
>> >Why not offer the camera as a parent object? This way you could parent
>> a
>> >light behind the camera, move about the scene, and everything you look
>
>> >at will always be lit up. I always find lighting difficult and this
>> >would be a big time saver, if only during test renderings at
>> least.<----
>
>
>
>> OK, here's a work-around.  Once you have a completed camera motion
>> path, save the motion, load it to a null, parent you light to the null,
>> make adjustments to the light, create a key and you're done!
>
>> GT
>
>
>quick thinking Batman :-}
>hows work greg?
>
>

The other habit I've been getting into on bigger scenes is to create a null
and call it Camera Dolly. I then parent the Camera to it. To move the Camera,
I just move the Dolly.

It means you get better control over your camera because you have two paths
for it - one your base Camera Track motion path and the Camera itself is then
free for fine tuning its own variations of that path.

Obviously you can also then attach lights or anything to the Dolly.

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4j4t8s$[e-mail]> srp@void (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes:
>From: srp@void (Stephen Pietrowicz)
>Subject: Re: Unplugging the dongle
>Date: 25 Mar 1996 01:35:24 GMT

>[e-mail] wrote:
>: Is it safe to attach or remove a dongle while the system is on?


>No.

>--
>[e-mail]

I have plugged in and unplugged LW dongles on a "hot" system many times with
no ill effect.  But I gotta say that I think it is a pretty stupid practice.
I don't do it anymore. The only computer devices that I know of that are
designed for hot swapping are special drive bays (for servers) and PCMCIA
cards.  Even if the dongle itself were designed for hot swapping, there may be
differences in particular parallel port implementations that leave significant
risks.  I don't think switch boxes guarantee safety either.  Not all switch
boxes go open between connections. Powering down and rebooting is the safest
way to go.  I would observe standard anti-static practices as well (ground
yourself before handling).

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Any ideas on how to do a StarGate type effect where a face (live video
sequence - not a model) would emerge through a reflective surface?  The best I
have come up with is to use a moving laser or other sharp light source to
describe the plane that the face is breaking through.  The face would be shot
as it leaned forward through this plane of light.  The lines that are created
could then be used to construct a series of alpha and clip(or transparency)
maps.

The problem with this idea is that it requires a fair amount of manual
manipulation though I am pretty sure it would work.  Does anyone know of a
more elegant solution?

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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In article <[e-mail]>, David Forbus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>James Jones/Nibbles and Bits wrote:
>>
>
>
>> A varied collection of common (and some not so common) image-processing
>> operations are included.
>> Partial list:
>> Crop, very high quality Scale, Color-to-Gray, Gray-to-Color, Flip,
>> Rotate, Roll, Blur, Unsharp Mask, Convolve, Negative, Median Filter, Add
>> Alpha, Split Alpha, Interlace, Deinterlace, Dissolve. In the works are
>> 3/2 pulldown conversion, arbitrary pulldown conversion and
>> time-expansion/contraction.
>>
>> ARRIBA also has an extremely flexible file renaming ability. (Change the
>> base name, number of digits, period or no period, start frame number,
>> frame increment number: positive or negative, extension or no extension.
>> For example, reverse an entire animation in a couple of seconds!)
>>
>
>I see a potential problem with this. For field rendered animations and
>captured video. Renumbering the frames only will give you images that
>constantly jump as they advance backwards. You will need to drop the
>second field of the last frame and replace it with the second field
>of the next to the last frame and advance backwards untill you get to
>the first frame. At that point you will discard the first field of the
>first frame. The entire animation or video clip will be shorter by one
>frame, but have completely smooth movement at full resolution. Has
>anyone done this yet? Put me on your list, I'm interested in your
>product. Sounds cool.........

If you have a PVR, you CAN reverse the frame numbers then change the field
import order and voila! a perfect reversed interlaced animation.

>
>DLF

I'm interested in this software for de-interlacing and re-interlacing if it's
available in PAL. I just did a Web search for "Arriba" and got nowhere - where
do I contact these guys.

Cheers


Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4j6d0c$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brad Peebler) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
>Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
>Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:18:20 GMT

[snip]

>Point taken. Actions speak louder than words. I will no longer speak
>about things that are in the works. I will not make personal attacks,
>and I will not criticize any member of this group. Rather, I will just
>try harder to do my job as product manager of LightWave 3D. As long as
>this group is unhappy, I am failing. I apologize whole heartedly to
>Allen, Stuart, the whole LightWave team, NewTek, and all users of
>LightWave 3D.

>I hope everyone will make it to NAB to see what the LightWave team has
>been up to. They have been tremendously busy.
[snip]

>Brad Peebler
>NewTek

When things go well, there isn't really much to discuss.  Everything is cool.
Occasionally someone will post their love of a particular feature (ie. "ain't
Metaform cool?"), but for the most part, this is taken for granted.
Consequently, the posts in this group tend to be either complaints
and arguments, information and tips or the occasional bit of rumor/gossip.
A certain amount of bitching and griping is to be expected.  Even if NewTek
is doing everything right.  So don't overdo it and try to make everybody
happy.  It can't be done.  Timely responses to issues like, "Is the dongle the
license?" would be appreciated by myself and I assume others though.  I
realise that there may not be an answer or resolution or that the answer may
not be what I like, but a disagreeable answer is often better than no answer
at all.

A lot of people here are running their own businesses.  So I think many of us
understand some of the difficulties.  I think you may be surprised by the good
will that a few straight answers would generate.  I believe that Stuart
Ferguson's participation already generates quite a bit of that.





Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4j2a9t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
>Date: 23 Mar 1996 20:59:25 -0500

>Brad Peebler wrote..
>-------------------------
>By the way, I apologize if anyone was terribly offended about my prior
>posting (Brian?  ; )  ). It was merely an opinion and you are all of
>course welcome to discuss any topic you see fit. Many people had sent
>me private email complaining about the direction of the group. But it
>is your group.
>----------------------------

Lee Stranahan responded..
>Well, many people have posted publically about NewTek's seeming total lack
>of any coherent marketing vision, and the resulting poor sales and
>visibility. But it is your product to manage...

[snip]

I would be interested to know what the typical length of participation in
this group is for those who wrote you.  With the exception of a couple very
long threads that went on for a long time regarding some of Lee Stranahan's
comments, I don't see a real trend.  In fact, I can say that some threads have
been pretty consistent.  Like "How can I get .avi files to be saved?"  That
one has been going on since August.  :^)


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>If you're going to use a null to control camera movement, you need to delete all
>of the camera's keyframes and leave it centered at 0,0,0 with no rotation.
>Anything else, and you'll go insane trying to guess where it will end up when you
>move it. You then treat the null as if it were the camera. The tough part is
>remembering not to start moving the camera itself.
>
>--
>Andrew Hofman
>LumaQuest Productions
>[e-mail]
>513-643-7333

I disagree. I use a null all the time to move and or rotate the
camera. One way to help keep it straight is to think of the null
object as the head of a tripod on wheels. I use the null to move the
camera and often just rotate the camera for aim. This method has
worked fine for me for years.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: typhoto <[e-mail]>
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> The standalone renderer is included free with each copy of Lightwave, and
> may be installed on as many render-only systems as you like.
>

Yes, if they are networked together.

--
Typhoto

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From: [e-mail] (Steven Johansen)
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[e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) writes:

>I'm sure that someone has asked this before, but I was wonderring if there is
>a way to, after you build an object, that then you could reduce the number of
>polygons it has? Like after I make a mountain range, but parts of it are flat
>and havn't been moved up or anything? Did I make sense? If the answer is to
>long or annoying to give, then just tell me where to look in the manual?

>thanx...............md :)

    Lightwave has no automatic function to reduce the poly count
    You can of course select polygons alongside one another manually
and then merge them. I would generally consider this method too tedious
to contemplate,particularly on a conplex object.

        Steven

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Evolving fire clouds
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All :)

For an Intro I make, I need some 10 seconds of mushroom fire clouds, like those resulting from almost every explosion in the movies, slowly evolving/developing. They should be zoomed in so they fill the entire screen.

I have the Pyromania Cd-Rom, but it's of no use in this case. I went to the local Image Bank database, and they have nothing that suits me.

Anyone knows of a royalty-free source for this effect?

Please mail me directly.

--
Nir A. Hermoni, Israel. Lead 3D animator for Zapa Digital Arts Ltd.
                                                                   [e-mail]
             Visit our web site at http://www.zapa.co.il


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From: [e-mail] (Rolf Brown)
Subject: Import meshes from 3ds?
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Is there a way or a plugin to import meshes from 3d Studio? I'd really
like something that could do this.

Thanks

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|>I just wanted to be able to reduce the polygon count on some of the objects
|>that had too many polys in areas that I felt didn't need any. And thanx for
|>the tip. I'll give it a try and see what happens. I suppose that it's time for
|>me to reread the manuals again now that I've been using LW for a bit.
|>thanx again...................md :)
|>
  I have an object that was done using Metaform. It had several flat spots
   that metaform subdivided. I simply selected the polys that I felt did
  not serve a purpose and merged them. Worked fine. here are a few gottyas
 1. 1 of the merged polys became nonplainer.(I tripled it but was still ahead)
 2.  Watch the surface names. If you triple a poly it will take on the
    attributes of the current surface.

 -bill

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From: [e-mail] (Ivan Sinclair)
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Subject: Re: Please look at my LW Shockwave ...
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On Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:06:48 -0500, Gabe Evans <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>If anyone is interested, I just (last night @ 4
>AM!) finished a litle shockwave animation using LW for a friend's
>website. It's a 50's Buck Rogers style rocket ship and is at
>http://www.astrogate.com The best thing is it's only 28K!

Very cool...especially for 28k! Frames, Shockwave and Lightwave....
killer combo.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
   Ivan Sinclair - [e-mail]
Softwords Research - http://vvv.com/
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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From: [e-mail] (Jim May)
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In article <[e-mail]>, "gil" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hello,
> Does anyone know if DirectDraw (game SDK ) supports the 640x400x256
> resolution ?  I mean somebody have been using it at all? If so, what version
> was it?
>
> Cheers.
> Gil

AFAIK, it does.  We are using the GDK with our software, and it includes a
little demo hack called "The Fox and the Bear" that works in that
resolution.

Don't pin me on it though.  I'm not our programmer, and we are using
640x480x65K...

Jim May



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From: [e-mail] (Jim May)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Jim May wrote:
>
> > Most businesses that exist "to make money" don't.  That is because making
> > money is not an end (that is, not a proper "final cause"), but a _means_
> > to something else.  This is evidenced by the fact that money has no value
> > except in its ability to purchase directly useful things.  Money itself is
> > only a means to actual values.
>
> Money doesn't "have" value; it *is* value.

To whom?  and for what?

> > "Making money" as a purpose necessarily implies the question "what for"?
> > There is no "what for" with final causes; they represent the end of the
> > string of "why"s.
> The only end of the string of why's is the big ontological
> Why.

(I've been getting the "off-topic" nervous itch with this thread
(especially since I started this particular angle), so I am going to
purposefully stop posting after this.  No duck intended.)

There is no ontological "why".  Existence exists, has always been, and
will always be (whatever form it may take.)

> Businesses exist to make money, by definition.  "Businesses that don't
> exist to make money" is oxymoronic.  Cooperatives, user groups, non-
> profit organizations and governments may view money as merely a means.
> Businesses, in order to be successful, must regard profit as an end
> (often not the only one, and this is where the "final cause" idea will
> lead you astray--it admits of only one end).

It will not lead _me_ astray, simply because of the fact that I know that
money is not an end in itself -- it has value only in terms of what it can
buy -- or what is sold for it.

In other words, in an exchange economy, money comes to "stand for"
_wealth_.  ("Wealth" here means: material goods/values made by man.  A
toothbrush is wealth, so is a Twinkie or a Porsche).  Money is an
_abstraction_ of wealth; it is used because it makes practical large
transactions.  Bartering with OPEC for oil is simply impossible, for
instance.  Add to this transactions that take place over years (credit),
and non-perishable money is simply indispensable.

But your paper bills are only desirable so long as they are exchangeable
for actual goods.  If those goods are no longer there (after a bad
catastrophe or war, suppose), what will you do?  *Is* money still value?
To whom, and for what?  Are you familiar with the German hyperinflation of
1920, or more recent equivalents?  If money is value, those countries
ought to be filthy rich, down to the last starving child, yes?

If this implicit, but necessary, aspect of money is understood, then it
_is_ true that the final cause of business is "to make money", i.e. _to
create wealth_.  But when you get right down to the nitty gritty, what the
business _creates_ is its product/service.  When it gets paid in money, it
is simply converting that wealth into a liquid (abstract) form, to be
reconverted into real goods (employee services, hardware) as needed _for
the continued and increased production of more and better product_.  I
couldn't figure out why my father told me that he worked "to make money",
but his company actually made auto parts... until I understood the
abstraction.

If, however, you lose sight of this connection, you get all the mayhem
that I described before; since money is an abstraction, it does not by
itself refer to any particular _means_ of its acquisition.  Unless you
know that "making money" means to create wealth (product), you are prone
to elevating "making money" into an out-of-context absolute that results
in your indifference to what you actually do (since it is only the means,
and any means will do).  Who cares what's going on, if the money's rolling
in... those damn programmers look stupid in those shirts, I'll have to
clamp down.  And why aren't the animators here on time???...

> If you mean that a business should have a "vision," a purpose in addition
> to making money, that's not controversial at all.  But it's also not
> sensibly defended by appealing to Aristotle.
>
> - Ernie

I don't understand that in the least -- non sequitur.

There is no question of a vision or purpose outside of _creating wealth_
for a business.  It is the creation of that wealth that _is_ the vision.
Creating it well.  Creating more for less cost.  Creating the best that
has ever been.  Creating what has never been seen before.  And all the
daily efforts that make it worth it.

Is the money a good thing?  Yes.  Is it a motivator?  Yes.  Is it the
final cause?  No.  I'd give up a thrice-more lucrative copier repair job
for this -- any day.

Jim May



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From: KEVIN MCLAINE <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Computer Graphics Job Offer
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WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER


3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company

searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist

in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.


System Requirements

486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
IBM PC or compatable
Super VGA Color Monitor
Running Windows 3.1 or better


For more info call Tracy or Robin at 800/455-3558

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WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER


3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company

searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist

in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.


System Requirements

486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
IBM PC or compatable
Super VGA Color Monitor
Running Windows 3.1 or better


For more info call Tracy or Robin at 800/455-3558

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WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER


3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company

searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist

in 3D graphics. Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.


System Requirements

486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
IBM PC or compatable
Super VGA Color Monitor
Running Windows 3.1 or better


For more info call Tracy or Robin at 800/455-3558

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Slaby)
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Subject: Kiska-Blitz "The Mother of all models"
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heck it out, and let me know what you think...
Nothing fancy on the page, but please check out the models and let me
know what you think... All the models were modeled completely in 3D
Studio R. 4. The page is still under construction, and is more of a
test at this point, but will be upgraded during the next few weeks...

http://www.free.cts.com/sd/c/corvine/

Scott Slaby
Corvine Production
[e-mail]



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From: Michael L Weiss <[e-mail]>
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Mark,

    Try

Host ftp.cc.gatech.edu    (130.207.9.11)
Last updated 03:08 21 Mar 1996

    Location: /ac88/linux/utils/compress
    FILE    -rw-r--r--   86043 bytes  14:00 31 Jan 1994   lha-1.00.tar.Z


    I use this on my SUN and it seems to work fine. You will need
    to be able to compile as it is just the source.

    Michael L. Weiss
    [e-mail]

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MD> JK> mmm. I'm note sure what you mean. There are several ways to reduce he
MD> JK> polygon
MD> JK> count of an object. The quantize option being one of them.
MD> JK> What exactly is it you want?


MD> JK> --
MD> JK> ________________
MD> JK> Jan-Willem Korver
MD> JK> MarketGraph, Haarzuilens, The Netherlands
MD> JK> e-mail: [e-mail]

MD> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I tried the Quantize and it didn't do what I wanted. So I guess I'll have to
just do things the old fassioned way "and the very, very long way" of just
going through after I'm done building an object and just try to find polys
that I can merge into one..........I thought that LW had some easy way to do
this, but I guess not........:(

.........md

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Albert Mejias ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >>>
: is there anyone using Dust out there...any comments??

: Chris
: <<<

: "Just say NO to drugs."

thank, world of help, glad you could help.

Short:    Allround 3D-Tool (Imagine, Lightwave, MaxonCinema4D)
Author:   [e-mail] (Andreas Maschke)
Uploader: [e-mail] (Andreas Maschke)
Type:     gfx/3d

Dust2.46 is an object-sequence-processor creating 3D-F/X. The
programms Imagine, Lightwave3D and MaxonCinema4D
are supported directly.

Features:
 -local morph-operator producing exciting effects
  (morphs, animated boolean effects, ...)
 -object-smoothing using splines !
 -twirl-effect
 -Dust is some kind of a programming language:
   *creating of faces (programmed creation of objects !)
   *moving of points (programmed deformation of objects !)
   *for-loops
   *if-statement
   *global variables
   *string-formatting
   *numeric arguments
   *nice calculator-mode
 -metamorphosis between any two objects:
   *closed-surface-morph (like liquids)
   *triangle-morph (like explosions)
   *build-morph ("beam-me-up"-effect
 -1D/2D/3D-waves of different types
 -realistic water-waves
 -more realistic explosions
 -displacement-maps
 -easy-to-use particle-system
 -unlimited number of objects, preview-windows, ...
 -FAST Lightwave<->Imagine-converter keeping subgroups
 -powerfull online help, no command-description without an example
 -VERY FAST loading/saving/converting objects
 -UNIX-like feeling: shell, command-completion, external
  windows, speed, ...

There are more than 200 commands you can execute interactively.
Dust can process batch-files and has an ARexx-Port, too.
(You can treat it as "External ARexx-Port for Imagine/Lightwave")

This is the unregistered version which doesn't feature some
commands. To get registered send $25+postage to the author:

                         Andreas Maschke
                         Zenkerstraáe 5
                         06108 Halle/Saale
                         Germany

                   Phone: ++49 (0)345/5170331
                   EMail: [e-mail]


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From: Wooly Mittens <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: standalone renderer for LW needed
Date: 26 Mar 1996 07:49:22 GMT
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typhoto <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > The standalone renderer is included free with each copy of Lightwave, and
> > may be installed on as many render-only systems as you like.
> >
>
> Yes, if they are networked together.
>
> --
> Typhoto

What I'm looking for is a render blanker ;)

Every time my computer is idle for more than 30 minutes, lighwave
should start rendering a scene.

It would also be nice to specify more than two scenes to render in
succession (I hate putting my alarm clock at 3:00 AM).

Wooly Mittens.

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
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> 3DS Max uses the HEIDI system of drivers, developed by Autodesk
> subsidiary Ithaca Software, makers of HOOPS.  It doesn't use
> OpenGL, but it does use many 3D hardware accelerator cards.
> How HEIDI compares to WinNT-level OpenGL is open to discussion.

MAX also has support for Open GL too. So if you have a 3D board
that doesn't have Heidi drivers, but does have Open GL drivers
then you wil still be able to do real-time rendering. Not sure
if you can have real-time texture mapping without Heidi though.

Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Garrison)
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Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone know where I could scare up an Abekas or .TAR driver for
>Exabytes? I need to run one under WinNT (Alpha) or Win95 (Intel).

>Thanks.

>--
>Andrew Hofman
>LumaQuest Productions
>[e-mail]
>513-643-7333

I found one just by doing a search for TAR drivers. I don't have the
file currentl;y but they are out there.


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As long as you don't let out that little puff of white smoke or blue
sparks from the board, son...


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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Estrada)
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Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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[e-mail] wrote:


: |>I should be more explicit.  NewTek would heavily promote that a particular
: |>show used LightWave when the version of LightWave that could actually be
: |>purchased simply couldn't produce the same results or could do so only with a
: |>tremendous amount of extra effort.  It is called stretching the truth -
: |>particularly when you use such a stretch to sell your product.  Like I said in
: |>the part of my post that you did not include, there ARE some definite benefits
: |>to this process.  NewTek used to stretch the truth a lot in their promotional
: |>materials and it has always bothered me a bit.
: |>
: |>
: |>
: |>Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
: |>Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
: |>http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

:  Jay,
:  I don't think NewTek is alone in this type of activity. I would imagine all
:  software developers have Beta Testers and that when it comes time to place
:  an AD I don't think they would pass by a great pic done by one of their
:  beta versions, especially if the features are to be included in the next
:  release. BTW what features were used in B5 that you found were missing ?

:  -bill


For example, Electric Image Inc. is always saying how thier product is
used in features. Well, when I was working at Dream Quest Images, E.I.I
practically GAVE D.Q. copies of EIAS so that thay would use them on a
feature. (the Mask) They also say that it is the "first desk-top
animation product used in a feature ride-film" which is true, but it is
the same deal. They GAVE D.Q. the beta versions.

It all boils down to, you scratch my back (software companies) and I'll
scratch yours (production company) The software company gets an
endorsment, and the animation company gets free buggy software.

Other animation companies buy the hype, and then the software. Simple.

-Aaron



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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Estrada)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
Date: 26 Mar 1996 09:26:44 GMT
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Simple answer to "TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?" 3DSes motion blur looks
like crap. For stills, I kinda think it has a cool look, but some how in
animation, the edges fall apart. The motion blur is bad. Also, the
interface is cryptic and weak.

Does anyone here seen the 3DS demo reel? Do you know what I am talking
about with the motion blur? Does any one here know WHY the motion blur
looks so bad?

I hope they fix the renderer for MAX, becuase it looks like it is going
to be a pertty cool program. (IF they change the render engine!)


-Aaron


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From: Mike Daniel <[e-mail]>
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John Foust wrote:
>
> In article <4j4rvd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
> >The cat has been let out of the bag - the next version of LW has Open GL
> >integrated. That seems to answer that....
> >
> >When it ships is another story, of course...
>
> 3DS Max uses the HEIDI system of drivers, developed by Autodesk
> subsidiary Ithaca Software, makers of HOOPS.  It doesn't use
> OpenGL, but it does use many 3D hardware accelerator cards.
> How HEIDI compares to WinNT-level OpenGL is open to discussion.
>
> When what ships?  LW 5.0 / "Tombstone" or Max?
>
> - John

Also remember where the OpenGL Originated  SGI  You know how fast
they are.

    <-MD->


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From: [e-mail] (Michael D. Bartman)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:49:30 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim May) wrote:

>In article <4ipa1g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Foust) wrote:

>> What if someone comes along and shows that programmers wearing
>> t-shirts has no detrimental effect, or shows that putting two
>> sales droids in suits helps the bottom line?

>Then these facts are integrated with your final cause, and decisions are
>made based on them (if needed).   NOT because everybody else is doing it,
>and NOT because of imagined customer or public perceptions.
>
>> - John
>Jim M.

Funny thing about those customer perceptions...they aren't always what
you would expect.

I once worked for a software house that did nothing but contract work.
We typically wore jeans and T-shirts, but when meeting with clients we
were told to wear suits, or at least shirt and tie.  I did so, and
usually got a lot of questions and arguments from customers (bankers
in this case) before managing to convince them that what we were doing
was what they wanted (they thought they knew what they wanted but if
we'd delivered what they were asking for, they wouldn't have been
happy at all...you know how it goes ;^).

One day they showed up at our office unannounced ("We were in the
neighborhood...") and I ended up demoing what we had finished...while
wearing jeans and T-shirt.  Not only were they not bothered by my
attire, they didn't argue of suggest a thing, but ate up everything I
said as gospel!

We experimented with this a bit more with visits to their place and
found that the more casually we dressed, the less they questioned our
abilities.  My theory is that *they* wore suits, and so did all of
their programmers, but they knew that none of their people were up to
the task....which is why they had hired us.  When we dressed like they
did, they subconsiously assumed we didn't know any more than they did,
and got worried and questioned everything.  When we dressed more like
thier vision of "hackers", they had a lot more confidence that we knew
what we were doing and would give them a workable solution.  I don't
think they were aware of this behavior, but it was real and it was
consistent over several months (like I said, we tested it).

The moral of the story is that you shouldn't dress or act like your
clients.  You should dress and act like your clients expect top people
in your field to dress and act.  If this means suit and tie and play
golf, then that's what will get you the best relationship with them.
If that means jeans and T-shirt and drinking sodas and eating pizza,
then do it (or at least make it look like thats what you do).  Make
the customer feel comfortable and they will want to keep dealing with
you.

Of course, you also have to deliver what they want at a price they
find acceptable, but that should be obvious. :^)

          -- Mike "it's good manners as much as posing" Bartman --


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Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jim May wrote:

>> Most businesses that exist "to make money" don't.  That is because making
>> money is not an end (that is, not a proper "final cause"), but a _means_
>> to something else.  This is evidenced by the fact that money has no value
>> except in its ability to purchase directly useful things.  Money itself is
>> only a means to actual values.

>Money doesn't "have" value; it *is* value.

Nope, money, like everything else, *has* value.  This value will, like
all value, vary from one person to another, and from one time to
another.

If you want to know the value of your money, see what people are
willing to exchange for it.

                   -- Mike "in itself it's just paper" Bartman --


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From: [e-mail] (Tim Irvin)
Subject: Re: LWPro Compilation Book
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Same thing happened to me.  I had to call them and have them credit my
account.

I will still purchase the book, but I rather not pay for it till I
recieve it!

Hope this is not a NewTek repeat.

Tim--




[e-mail]
[e-mail]

 "Who Needs Sleep, When You Have LightWave!?"


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Can anyone please tell me the address to subscribe to these two lists?

Thanks

C.Roman

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: "StarGate" Effect
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In message <[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

> Any ideas on how to do a StarGate type effect where a face (live video
> sequence - not a model) would emerge through a reflective surface?
The best I
> have come up with is to use a moving laser or other sharp light source to
> describe the plane that the face is breaking through.  The face
would be shot
> as it leaned forward through this plane of light.  The lines that
are created
> could then be used to construct a series of alpha and clip(or transparency)
> maps.

> The problem with this idea is that it requires a fair amount of manual
> manipulation though I am pretty sure it would work.  Does anyone know of a
> more elegant solution?

> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

Well i might be wrong but i think the shot in SG was shot and cgi.
I`m not sure one the first shot,but ans he comes thorough the other
side,it was done like so
1,they built a special tank,the camera had to be placed at an exact
angle so no reflections were seen on the tank
2,as he pushed his head into the tank lot of air bubles were stuck to
his face,so the got him to dunck his head,quickly wipe his face to
disperce all the execess bubbles then look around then take his head out.
3,reverse the shot.
--
Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
                 Creators of Digital Visual Effects
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-------------------T.R.A.N.S.M.I.S.S.I.O.N--3D/AV-----------------------------
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: NewTek Fix the NT-AVI.P please
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In message <4j77hj$[e-mail]>
        format <[e-mail]> writes:

> you get a blank AVI Window? try jogging through the avi with
> the frame slider. Bring the frame slider to the middle of the
> animation and let it go. Repeat this a few times, you will see
> your AVI. It was saved.

> The fault wasn't with LightWave or HIIP, the above fix
> describes a wierd thing that can happen with Microsoft AVI's

Correct,this is a bug that does not totally reck your avi ,
If people load the avi see a blank frame and say arhh no avi  try to
play it scrub it size it,I promise ,it is there.
if u render from say frame 50 to 120 then the avi will only show from
frame 50,i thought this was daft but it kinda makes sense.


--
Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
                 Creators of Digital Visual Effects
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-------------------T.R.A.N.S.M.I.S.S.I.O.N--3D/AV-----------------------------
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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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In article <4j8d8k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Aaron Estrada)
writes:

>Simple answer to "TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?" 3DSes motion blur looks

>like crap. For stills, I kinda think it has a cool look, but some how in
>animation, the edges fall apart. The motion blur is bad. Also, the
>interface is cryptic and weak.
>
>Does anyone here seen the 3DS demo reel? Do you know what I am talking
>about with the motion blur? Does any one here know WHY the motion blur
>looks so bad?

     Well, 3ds calculates the effect completely different. It all stems